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#21 Posted : Saturday, 15 October 2011 7:34:34 PM(UTC)
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Thanks on the info on PATC, didn't know all those gear variations were available. To my way of thinking, the speedo "final drive ratio" should end up the same as it was originally. That is, and I'm going from the HK Manual here, for 3.08 gears and 7.35 x 14 tyres (haven't investigated, but assuming it's about the same circumference as a modern replacement tyre)the drive gear has 20 teeth and the driven gear has 19, therefore about 1.05:1. Just looking at the PATC combinations, I can't see a drive and driven gear combination that will result in that same final drive ratio. Will be interesting to see what happens when you do your road test. Also, have you confirmed that our speedos do 1000 turns per mile of travel?
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#22 Posted : Monday, 17 October 2011 4:44:42 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the tip on the ratio box, may be the way to go if I find the speedo is out too much.
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#23 Posted : Monday, 17 October 2011 4:54:25 AM(UTC)
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If lack of room is an issue with the speedo cable area on the box, there is a 90 degree speedo drive available that can help with the route of your cable.
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#24 Posted : Monday, 17 October 2011 8:48:54 AM(UTC)
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Yes, I was thinking about the available room near the speedo drive area, I have already dented a small recess in the floor brace for the speedo cable to sit in to prevent rubbing against. Something the size of a match box might be ok.
I can post some photos later for those interested. The trans is very close to final position, just need to do some final shaping in the arch of the floor brace on the passenger side. The tail shaft is centered in the tunnel, the square flange on the trans extension housing is close to the passenger side of the arch.
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#25 Posted : Monday, 17 October 2011 9:17:43 PM(UTC)
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Here's a link to a company that sells ratio boxes. There's a pic as well.
http://generalauto.com.au/Ratio.htm
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, 2 November 2011 10:44:28 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info on the ratio box supplier. The trans if final fitted now, waiting a new tailshaft. I'll update this further once it's been taken for a run to check the speedo error.
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#27 Posted : Saturday, 14 January 2012 9:39:33 AM(UTC)
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It's taken a while, but have now done a couple of road tests with the new trans in place. Overall very happy with the change especially the longer legs with 4th gear.
A couple of things to sort out.
1. There is now a strong vibration at about 70 to 80 kph, which goes away at about 100 kph and up. If I shift to neutral at 80kph and coast, the vibration is still there.
I had a new tail shaft built locally(Darwin)which took them about a month to do. They commented it took a lot of work and time to get it to balance, and it has a fairly large balance weight attached. I suspect it to be the problem, but I am also aware of the importance to ensure the gearbox output shaft and diff pinion angles are parallel. I modified the tunnel area to get the trans up as high as possible, but I don't know if it is correct, should be close.
I've heard of using a protractor, does any one have a procedure to check the alignment? Engine is a 350 SBC.
2. The trans shift points need some work, 1st to 2nd shifts late at light throttle, and it will drop back from 4th to 3rd without throttle change. A local auto trans bloke suggested It's probably close, but back of the TV cable adjustment a couple of mm and road test to check shift changes. He showed me the stock cable adjuster and I see how it is a very fine and sensitive adjustment. He also said the pressure operated switch for 4th gear can be used for the converter lock up, but the switch also operated in 2nd gear, any one else found this?
Cheers.
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#28 Posted : Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:05:38 AM(UTC)
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HT Prem, regarding your shift points, I'd suggest that you have a look at the following site. It takes a bit to sink in, but is good value. I'm just in the process of setting up my TV cable at the moment. Bought a "fitsall" tv cable, you can adjust the length to suit the application.
http://www.purplesagetra...er/techinfo/700R4p1.html
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#29 Posted : Sunday, 15 January 2012 1:05:25 AM(UTC)
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HT Prem,did you sort out the correct throttle linkage/plate ratio to attach your cable that i mentioned a while ago?
If not you will be chasing your tail to get the correct shift pattern and can cause trans failure because the line pressures can
be all over the place ie the TV cable can be at say 60% pull,the throttle at 80% at max torque but the line pressure may be only 80psi
and can fry the clutches....(thats just a scenario that can happen)
Converter lock up happens in 2-3-4 on the TH700R4....it was about 4 years ago but i/we bypassed the trans temp switch on the valve body
which only locks the converter in 4th and i used a toggle switch to activate it when i cruised.
The lining on lock up converter is small and doesn't like a high/instant load on it (thats why they recommend towing in 3rd gear)
When i did the by-pass the load on the 3rd-4th gear change was noticeable because the TCC locked up straight away especially at low speeds.
I added the toggle switch so I could choose when it locked,BUT you have to remember to switch it off again.
There are ways of adding relays etc to cure that,but in the end i EFI'd my red motor to eliminate all that.
B&M sell a vaccum switch kit and i'm sure there are others that do it.
Do a search on oldholden.com and type in,TCC,TH700,lock up etc and you will find the wiring diagram and ways of doing it.
Its still the best mod i did to my HJ coupe because it cruises SO much better as you will find out.
cheers...Mario
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#30 Posted : Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:23:17 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the replies guys,
Regarding the throttle set up, I am using a Demon 750 cfm vac sec carby and bought the B&M TV adapter for Holley, but it will not fit the Demon due to a nut on the throttle shaft at the bell crank, however I copied the locations of the cable connections and made my own adapter plate. Yes the TV cable connection is 1&1/8" (29mm)from the throttle shaft center and is set back 1/2"(12.5mm) from the vertical centre line of the throttle shaft. The diagrams in the link you provided are exactly what was provided with the B&M instructions with the trans and I have followed these carefully. There is a good description at the PATC website about TV setup also.
I'm confident I have the TV cable point correct.
I'm using a Lokar style TV cable with adjustment at the carby via threaded sleeve at the mounting bracket. I'll try to get some pics to post to show this arrangement. I have as yet to adjust the cable tension off a tad and test drive as was recommended, probably tomorrow, I'll put an update in when available. I still need to sort out the vibration problem, this is important to fix before much more driving can be done, does any one have some info on this?
I know what you mean about the difference the trans makes, it will mean I can do longer trips than before and have plenty of fun around town too.
Thanks and Cheers,
Rex.
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, 27 March 2013 8:30:20 AM(UTC)
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Well it's been a bit over 12 months since the last post and a fair amount of cursing, test driving, more cursing.
Turns out my B&M trans had the wrong valve body and separator plate straight out of the box! The Aust distributor came to the party with replacement parts and rebuild kit, it was installed and the car now has 4 forward gears instead of 3.(symptom was the trans shifted from 1st to 3rd when in D).
The box shifts well now on light to moderate to throttle, but give it some more and it shifts 1st to 2nd then straight to 3rd quickly.
Also, manual shift from 1st to 2nd, the trans stays in 1st, shift again and it goes to 3rd. Shift down to 2nd from 3rd an it neutralizes!
Has anyone had similar experience with a TH700,or can recommend a good auto trans specialist to talk to?
Having said all this, the car is great to drive with the overdrive gear and lockup, so I want to persist with it to resolve these issues.
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 1:39:29 AM(UTC)
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HI guys,

i'm trying to sort out some tranny options for my HT - its a 308 trimatic with 3.36 chev 10bolt diff and i'm not happy with the rpms at 100k's. Anyone got some pics of the th700 in the ht/ht? I really don't want to massacre the floor and wondering how much I have to belt at the top of the tunnel/firewall, at the floor brace and next to the speedo outlet?
I have been looking up the th200 overdrive box but it doesn't look any better than the 700 sizewise.....and no idea how to buy one in aus anyway!

I don't really want to change the diff because being a 10 bolt its rare and way too pricey to swap.

thanks!!!!!
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 3:37:01 AM(UTC)
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I have heaps of pics of my ute with the T700 in it, but none that show exactly what you are looking for. If no one else comes up with pics, I'll take some and post them up here. Won't be for about a week 'though. Actually, I was surprised at how easy it was. No mods to the firewall or tunnel, just had to modify that brace a bit.
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 4:38:55 AM(UTC)
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HI guys,

i'm trying to sort out some tranny options for my HT - its a 308 trimatic with 3.36 chev 10bolt diff and i'm not happy with the rpms at 100k's. Anyone got some pics of the th700 in the ht/ht? I really don't want to massacre the floor and wondering how much I have to belt at the top of the tunnel/firewall, at the floor brace and next to the speedo outlet?
I have been looking up the th200 overdrive box but it doesn't look any better than the 700 sizewise.....and no idea how to buy one in aus anyway!

I don't really want to change the diff because being a 10 bolt its rare and way too pricey to swap.

thanks!!!!!


The biggest issue you'll probably face is changing the 308's block to a TH pattern, you can't redrill a HT 308 block to TH pattern. You can get the 4L60's bellhousing welded and modified. I wouldn't use one of those awful adapters and it'll probably compount teh issue by moving the box backwards another 20mm.
You can buy 10-bolt gears cheap, eg http://www.ebay.com/itm/...95&vxp=mtr#ht_326wt_1170
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 4:54:11 AM(UTC)
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Thanks some pics would be awesome!!! NO hurry I can wait! It does seem the floor brace is the biggest problem, does anyone know if it is an engineering defect to cut it? how did the speedo cable fit? Its funny the car had an aussie 4 in it and the middle section was cut right out! I put a trimatic in it after fixing it....perhaps i should have just left it out lol

with re the diff, i dont know how interchangeable all the parts are does anyone know for sure the US 10bolt gears fit the hktg 10 bolts? Are they hard to change? I guess i'd be happy with 3.08 gears altho the 4spd box gives the best of both worlds!

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#36 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 4:55:59 AM(UTC)
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oh forgot to mention re the bolt pattern, i had this t700 in a vk with the adapter (i wrote a big writeup on this forum somewhere about it) and it ran great except the torque conv - flex plate bolts were ALWAYS coming loose and getting stripped. I wasn't comfortable using it at all in the end.

I have come accross an auto trans mob in frankston which will modify the bellhousing to fit aussie pattern for 2 or 3 hundred I can't remember at this point but that is the plan!
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 5:19:12 AM(UTC)
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It is the same diff as a 1967-1969 Camaro with GMH made axles and ends so the gears will be identical to US stuff, just have to find out which.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 6:16:46 AM(UTC)
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thanks for that i'll do a bit more research onit.....but from what i've just read it needs a new carrier as well to go from 3.36 to 3.08.

guess these old cars are always a nice challenge!

think i'll suss out the th700 first so long as the floor doesn't need to be massacred - its a gts monaro so i would feel criminal doing that!
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 6:21:57 AM(UTC)
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We didn't have to cut the brace, just heat it and tap it in a bit. Used a CRS rear crossmember and a HK Saginaw rear mount. Speedo wasn't a problem. Used a ratio box at the gearbox output. My cable was a bit short, so I used a Corvette cable extension which is about 24 inches long. Here's a link http://www.ecklerscorvet...ter-cable-1969-1977.html
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, 9 July 2013 6:36:00 AM(UTC)
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Alright sounds like i will give it a go then!

Will get the trans mod'd and see how I go with the fitment.

havn't got the crossmember yet but I will check i am happy with the clearances before i order it.

Out of interest how hard is the tv line to pull out fully on yours?

One thing I noticed on the vk was that the accelerator became almighty tough to push towards the floor and it was the amount of force required to pull out the cv cable all the way. With a cable throttle you could get away with it but i'm not so sure with the flimsy ht linkage - just wondering if that is normal or maybe i need a new cable in it.

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