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#1 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 2:57:14 AM(UTC)
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When running a 253. What is the concensus on exhaust setups. I understand the different firing order of a Holden V8 gives different sound to a Chev block. It is primarily the small bore 253 Holden I am interested in here. I am not up for "Just put a 308 in it" talk.

Considering the engine is not being run for maximum power, the question is. What is the exhaust setup suitable to give a nice idle blop blop blop blop' sound. Twin system? Crossover pipe? big bore? straight through mufflers? Will the exhaust setup give a sick bark when at high revs?

I have spoken to several exhaust shops, and they all seem interested in just putting the muffler they sell.

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#2 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 5:14:49 AM(UTC)
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Twin system sounds better.I had a253 hj ute single system and its exhasut tone was smoothed out.(kinda blended)sound, went really well tho.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 5:15:23 AM(UTC)
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Hi Peter,
I have a 253 with extractors and a twin 2" system on my panelvan. It sounds great, has a deep note, and doesnt drone throughout the whole rev range. No balance pipe or straight through mufflers, just one muffler on each side. It doesnt bark at high revs or burble when easing off the throttle. Not sure what the brand of the mufflers are, but when I next have it up in the air I will have a look. It sounds more like a 308 than 253.

I always get a bit worried when I get a new exhaust or mufflers fitted, hoping that they wont sound like crap or drone, but this one couldnt have worked out much better.

In comparison, I had a new single system 2 1/4" exhaust fitted to my 253 WB ute and it is louder than the van, but drones and the note isnt as deep as the twin system. Id definitely recommend the twin.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 5:57:40 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Rhys. It would be good to find out what mufflers you have. I am not a fan of drone sound exhaust, and unfortunately Holden 6 cyl motors suffer from it a lot, as does my EH 202. I am not a fan of the sickly sounding bark that some V8 twin systems have at high rev. You know that loud bark with no action type sound.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 6:05:35 AM(UTC)
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twin system is the go!

i have a 2 1/4 twin system in my HQ, 1 muffler each side (unsure of brand) no cross over pipe, i do remember being told that the cross over pipe must be put in about half way along to be roadworthy? my car passed ok so i dunno about that, also been told that fibreglass packed mufflers flow better and sound better than the others, but i im also unsure how true this is?

dont go any bigger than 2 1/4 or itll drone like a B&S ute
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#6 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 6:12:57 AM(UTC)
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hey pete,
i got a good guy that specialises in older stuff(did his time doing handbuilds on SBc EH-HR pipes), has done all mine and my mates work for years, will do what you want as well, not what he has in stock and wont break the bank either. he is the only guy i will use, PM me if you want his number if that helps

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#7 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 7:49:17 AM(UTC)
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Do you know anyone down there that does repro systems that are pretty close to original? I wouldnt mind fitting a "factory" twin system on the Premier.

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#8 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 8:06:50 AM(UTC)
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I run a twin 2" system with extractors. It has a lukey 2 in 2 out muffler which I suppose acts to balance out the exhaust gasses. Has 3" chrome tips. This give a nice deep note, not as deep a 308. It sounds fat all through the rev range but no drone in the cab. Dont go single, they are not cool on a 253.
If you want a sick bark go for hotdogs(9). It will drive you mad after a couple of days.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 8:33:18 AM(UTC)
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hi
Ive got a stock 253 trimatic WB Kingsy ute with a twin system, I wanted something deep and not the thong slapping sound (the foot wearing thong to avoid any confusion).

Settled for a 2" system with a meld pipe where the two pipes join into one (think of the number eight on its side with the centre section removed), One muffler each side then back out into the twin setup. Sounds great with a good deep bass note, no droning whatsoever.

Rhys knows the ute and says from the kerbside says its sounds impressive.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 10:32:46 AM(UTC)
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I have a stock manifold twin pipe on my 253 VH with 2 mufflers under the rear seats and another muffler after the diff as per stock. It has a H type crossover. Its a bit quiet for a V8 but has a nice burble at idle. I think its 1-3/4" from factory. If I was going to redo the whole system I would use extractors with 2" pipes to the back.


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#11 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 5:18:07 PM(UTC)
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Pete, the van has a 253 with a 2 & 1/4 stainless steel handmade system with flow thru Genie Turbo Mufflers set as far back as possible.

The two pipes do merge and the pipes exit just under the bumperetes.

If i drive with the tail gate up then there is a a drone as well as sucking in the gasses. But the sound of the system does make a few heads turn.

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#12 Posted : Sunday, 21 March 2010 8:14:21 PM(UTC)
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lukey,ultra flow ...the best i ever heard and bought were called california turbos(2 of them 351 4v solid cam)they were quiet for 2 weeks then all the packing blew out ...unreal..ps cam might play a part too,glad to see someone else likes 253s too...jim. oh yeah twin sysren 2.1/4"

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#13 Posted : Monday, 22 March 2010 4:41:43 AM(UTC)
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Well were all different, Because I use take my sandman out only a few times every yeas (500ks pa) I put a stainless steel extractors/ muffler/ pipes etc on it. Its been on for over 15years and havent had to touch it. Its a single 2-1/2". Sounds tinny because of the thiner walls but have found a the motor runs more smoothly on a single system. Have had twin befor but i think Ill stay this way
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, 23 March 2010 9:17:47 AM(UTC)
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Frank

Do you know anyone down there that does repro systems that are pretty close to original? I wouldnt mind fitting a "factory" twin system on the Premier.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 24 March 2010 3:42:48 AM(UTC)
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As far as i was aware, that nice rumble comes from good gas speed out of the tailpipe (as well as a healthy motor/cam). Apparently Phase falcons sounded hot because they needed to reduce the rear pipe diameter to clear around the diff. This small step down gave good exit speed and a great note.

Drone is often because people go too large for the motor. Perfect example is the 202. Weve all heard awful sounding, droning ones, usually VK Commys with 3inch or 186s with a 2 1/2 system. Just too big.

I have 2 1/2 on my well worked 202 and its glorious, draws praise from all.

For your 253, twins seem the go, 2inch, and id use large, straight through mufflers. Not hotdogs, but straight in and out through a perforated tube, with a full-sized can around it.

If you dont use a balance pipe (either Hpipe or small crossover join) then you get a more racous noise. The balance smoothes it out and creates a nicer pulse.

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