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#1 Posted : Friday, 9 April 2010 1:07:22 AM(UTC)
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Hi all,
Can anyone please tell me why the first 4 Adelaide 73 Bathurst XU-1s did not have there engine numbers recorded on the 150 Homologation list, bespite being Bathurst models?

Mine was a car ordered for police traffic work at a time before the state RTA was formed, so this was organised through a local council.

According to both the parts book and the broadcast sheet my XU-1 had the Bathurst engine and accessories fitted, which makes it a Bathurst model but not Homologated.

I am wondering why all Bathurst models were not Homologated, as far as I can detirmine there were many Bathurst models from the 15th of August to 10th of September, but only 150 of these were actually Homologated, I am starting to think that perhaps due to the super car scare that Homologated cars were intentionally kept to 150 only.

There could be many reasons, perhaps the police cars did not require homologation as they were never going to be raced, or perhaps simply the first week/ or part week was not included as Holden seem to quote only complete weeks production, I don't know!
Adelaide did things different anyway.

I would really like to learn more about thes elusive models, any constructive help appreciated.

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#2 Posted : Friday, 9 April 2010 3:15:55 AM(UTC)
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Ask at gmh-torana.com.au Im sure this has been answered there before.

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#3 Posted : Friday, 9 April 2010 4:13:47 AM(UTC)
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Ive always wondered about this magic 150 list of 1973 XU1s. It asks more questions than it answers.

Since GM-H had to homologate 200 cars, what was the purpose of the list of only 150. Also, why was it from the spare parts department & not thru the regular sales channels. Why didnt this list the homologated cars by VIN or chassis number which is the usual method of ID.

I know of several proper 1973 XU1s with all the correct bits, that are not on this list.

If you have a real 73 XU1 & its not on this list, I would ignore the list & enjoy the car.

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#4 Posted : Friday, 9 April 2010 5:38:18 AM(UTC)
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Its a GMP&A issued document, bulletin 144 that lists the 150 engine numbers for use by GMP&A distributors and dealers. It isnt a list of cars or a homologation list. Issued as an amendment to bulletin 136 which is effectively a parts catalogue amendment.

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#5 Posted : Friday, 9 April 2010 7:39:06 AM(UTC)
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HI,
DR Terry 1972 was 200 Homogation cars, but in 1973 they changed the rules and they had to produce 500 cars for Homologation but as this model was still in production they were allowed under the new rules to make 250 Homologation specials.
Sorry about that, but as I said these are elusive models and many people think 1972 rules apply to 1973 but they dont.

My information is that from the beginning of 1973 there were 500 XU-1s then a batch of 122 Bathurst models, then lastly there was a batch of 166 final production Bathurst models, I am having difficulty working out how this fits with the 1973 race rules though.
perhaps they added the 122 and 166 for the 250 numbers, but this doesnt make sense either as they are different cars?

As you can see these figures are slightly different to the total of 150 for 1973 given in that little blue book!

Yes I will definately enjoy my XU-1 when its finished, I know mine is a Bathurst special even if three quarters of Australia does not.

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 20 April 2010 1:37:14 AM(UTC)
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hi mike
my 73 bathrust xu1 was a n.s.w police car and its on the 150 list,
so it looks like there might have been xu1 police cars in w.a to,
do you know what is stamped on the back of your camshaft
thanks vin
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 20 April 2010 2:13:04 AM(UTC)
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Vin does your XU1 have two holes to the left of the glovebox just behind the left hand side of the lower portion of the steel dash part (hope that makes some sense hard to explain) and holes in the rear floor pan where the passengers feet would go for the hancuff mounting bar.

Sorry for hi jacking your thread Mike. I think it might be beneficial for both of us.

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 20 April 2010 4:05:01 AM(UTC)
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hi dave
yes the holes near glovebox were there and handcuff point in back floor has bolt welded from under floor,allso has g.t.r(police)boot lid no rear spoiler i think there were about 49. 73 bath xu1 police cars,looks like they went through these dealers 29,48,630,865,
and disguise as g.t.r when they went to auction you had to be in the know that they were very fast xu1,i talked to a guy that used to go to the auctions
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, 20 April 2010 5:50:33 AM(UTC)
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Hi Mike, I have a little interest in these ex WA Police force XU1s as I missed out on buying one in the early 80s by a couple of days.

It was sold by a mate of mine at the time to his nephew who ended up righting it off within weeks .

I do remember it was white in colour but had beige colour interior.It was apparently one of the last off the line to be made and there was only Beige material left. Is this the case Mike????


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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 20 April 2010 7:35:01 AM(UTC)
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Thanks vin I have been looking into this for a while and everyone I speak to seem to agree with what you have said. Couple of other questions did the police cars have a hole drilled on the passenger side firewall adjacent to the starter motor. Im thinking for power to a two way and what was your source for the info everyone I seem to tell it might have been an ex cop car say yeh prove it.

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:33:13 AM(UTC)
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Hi XP66,
sorry about the delay, I don,t have many of the original componets so cant tell you what the cam had on it.
As far as baige as a colour it could be partly correct as I have a September 73 wreck here that could have come off the line at the time of the last 73 XU-1s and it has the baigie trim as you say, but then I also have a Jan 74 "S" here and it has white seats etc and baige plastic covered seat belts dash pad and carpet.

I have recently made contact with a guy originally from Sydney, he worked in the Holden factory there for a short time and one of his jobs was to remove GTR engines from new GTRs and fit XU-1 engines for police work!
Another guy on Ebay a while ago stated that 4 XU-1s went to Queensland for police work.
Hi Vin,
WA definately had Police XU-1s the council that had mine had two white 72s before mine and two LCs before that.
I have also heard of several others in WA.
Yours is the first NSW Police one that I have heard of so far, I wonder if Holden put those tags near the glove box as this seems common for Police cars and spread right across Australia?
What I dont know is, was the 49 or 50 Police cars the amount for all of Australia or was it for NSW, as WA and NSW seem to be the two main states that used XU-1s for police work.
My WA Police XU-1 was sold through dealer 166 having been especially ordered.
I have the Broadcast sheet for mine amazingly as it has had eight previous owners!

In the last couple of days I have been looking at the 150 list a bit closer, now I have been reminded that it was a spare parts list reference only.
What I have found is that the 150 list starts way before any Adelaide or Brisbane XU-1,s appear on the Warranty reporting Vin disc ( why would they do this?) and I wonder if because the race teams usually got their cars first that these would not be on the Vin list as they would not have been covered by a warranty?
The gap is quite substancial, perhaps another 100 or so racing or Police XU-1s could be fitted into this area. Any Ideas?
I am very keen for any 73 Bathurst owners and or Police XU-1s owners to contact me to compare notes on these elusive model?
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 20 April 2010 9:21:51 PM(UTC)
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hi dave and mike
i cant see were any hole was in my firewall as the car was restored when i bought it but owners of ex n.s.w xu1 polce cars did have hole in fire wall fore all the wires,the tag near glove box was a I.D number for n.s.w cop cars w.a i dont know,my is on the 150 list so i been looking in to them only but heard there were more before my lot,
i live in vic so i never knew there was any torana police cars till a few years after i bought my xui i went to xu1 on the mountain in 2002 and a guy walk up to me and said my car had been a police car i nearly fell over he knew by the ariel its about 40cm forward of windscreen none of the previous knew that,
colour of mine is orchid met looks like a fleet order of 12 73 bath
went to dealer code 865 metro motors w.a from brisbane they were made there some were? and n.s.w got mybe 38 i think they were all in country towns
i not very good at writing letters
vin
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 21 April 2010 3:13:28 AM(UTC)
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Im pretty sure dealer 865 was Boydeds of Bankstown at the time of the 1973 Bathurst XU-1s. My mate also has a 1973 Bathurst XU-1, also an Orchid metallic, with its engine number listed on the 150 numbers list. It was sold by dealer 865 in October 1973, and at that time it was Boydeds as far as I know. The code went to Metro Motors in WA at some stage later.

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 21 April 2010 7:50:39 AM(UTC)
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Hi,
Boydens is my experience also, I know a guy with a Aug 73 who studdied this point, as I had Metro motors on my list of WA XU-1s, I was proved wrong!

As far as I can tell no Brisbane XU-1s were ever sold in WA, our cars nearly always came from the SA production and my list so far reflects this, I still need the WA country dealer numbers to be absolutely shure though.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, 22 April 2010 2:48:02 AM(UTC)
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looks like mike and hk1873 are right dealer code 865 is n.s.w boyded of bankstown n.s.w, so n.s.w police must have got about 50 73 bath xu1
hk1873 your friends xu1 might have been a n.s.w cop car
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It is possible. We think it was actually a turboed rally car back in the 80s, sump still has an oil line brazed into it for the turbo. It was white when found, and triples missing. He has a photo of it competing as a rally car in Orchid paint way back in the Roncana Homes Rally. The aerial does appear to be sitting forward but hard to tell in the photo.

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#17 Posted : Sunday, 25 April 2010 12:47:44 AM(UTC)
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Hi, Mike back again,
Just a thought, perhaps the XU-1,s that made up the Homologation numbers were the 150 parts reference list + the August ones built from the first to the 15th + the ones produced 15th to the 23rd then aditional un recorded promo and race cars.
This may then be getting closer to the 250 Homologation requirement.
I would have thought that XU-1s that had the lastest 73 parts fitted on the 1st of August would have been the ones that came off the line on the 23rd, but it also looks like some examples were fitted with special parts before this, mine certainally fitted into this category being the first engine number found in Australia so far after the gap.
On the August cars I have wrecked a 4door here that was actually a 29th of July car but was plated August, so perhaps there may be a couple more XU-1 change over ones too. I am sure fly again has looked at this.

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#18 Posted : Sunday, 25 April 2010 7:42:54 AM(UTC)
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Vin when you look inside your bootlid on the right hand side how many holes are there for the badge that was on their before the boot spoiler was put on thats if yourd had the badge. Your help so far has been very much appreciated.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, 25 April 2010 7:53:21 PM(UTC)
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dave 2 holes and centre hole were spoiler bolts on
is shill double skin xu1 has only had
the outer skin the iner skin is drilled out
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#20 Posted : Monday, 26 April 2010 2:30:11 AM(UTC)
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Hi Vin I wasnt very clear in my last post. What I meant to say was were there any badge holes in your bootlid before the rear spoiler was fitted. If it did have badges holes how many holes were filled in on the right hand side? Thanks again Vin

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