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#101 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 4:23:27 PM(UTC)
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If you move the shifter 50mm forward, it will pop out in the prefect position for the HDT shifter plate.

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#102 Posted : Friday, 16 July 2010 1:54:29 AM(UTC)
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Perfect. Thanks Mick. I tried to find them on the rares and HDT sites but couldnt see em. Will give them a call.

Just to backstep a little. Is the VP V8 K frames exactly the same as the VN? S/rack and frame-wise? I have been offered one which would save me pulling the VN one out and making it unable to move. Also will the VH control arm and radius rod fit into the VP k frame exactly the same?

Cheers again and again and again....
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#103 Posted : Friday, 16 July 2010 7:45:04 AM(UTC)
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VH control arm & radius rod are the same as all VB-VP ones (except some late ones aren't drilled for the swaybar links). I need to reply to your email!

VL-VS V8 K-frames are all the same as each other (but different to VB-VK).

Give HDT a call - (number is on their website) they can take a credit card over the phone, and mail it to you. Only prob is that it will be black, but you can paint it. I used to have a few claret ones, but ended up giving them all away over time (and then saw one go on eBay for over $550 - I know the guy who bought it too!)

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#104 Posted : Friday, 16 July 2010 11:52:56 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for that Mick.
Doesnt matter if its black as it will be getting riveted to the floor. Ill give them a call. Not sure if we are talking about the same piece. Sorry I was referring to the metal floor plate.. Maybe are you talking about the console surround? I have one of those that I got which will suit the 5 speed apparently and thats black. I also noticed a VL 5 speed manual console surround. That should fit a VH too shouldnt it?

Sorry just noticed i forgot to mention the gas thing in my email too. Thats cool by the way.

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#105 Posted : Saturday, 17 July 2010 7:41:23 AM(UTC)
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Different plate.......

I was talking about the plastic console surround!

As far as the metal plate on the floor, the original VB-VK hole is a lot bigger than a VL-VS that came with a T5, so there's nothing that's a straight swap for you.

Your best bet is to make a new plate out of alloy, and where the gear lever lines up, cut a round hole in it to fit the VN-VS T5 gear lever boot.

Now, getting back to the plastic console plate. To work with your existing VH console, you can only use parts from a VC-VH-VK hi-rise console.

The console plate & gear boot from VC-H-K hi-rise consoles will interchange with yours - VL & later ones don't fit, as the VL ones are quite different again, in both the boot and the plastic cover plate, and only fit the VL console.

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#106 Posted : Saturday, 17 July 2010 7:37:52 PM(UTC)
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Cheers Mick. I was wondering if anything lines up with it. I might drill out the one in the VN and get my steel guru mate to play with it and marry it up for me once everythings in place.
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#107 Posted : Wednesday, 21 July 2010 7:26:03 AM(UTC)
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Gday Mick. Or any other guru..

Havent had much play time but will get stuck back into it over the next few days. just a wiring question for the box n stuff. Hope this all makes sense....

The wires below are the ones that run into the loom under the passenger dash just before the computer.One connection is there, but the otherone isnt and i could only find a plug that doesnt fit. Ah well, my question is what runs into these? is it the speedo/reverse wres in the pic below or is it the wires around the shifter in the bottom pic? Any words of wisdom on how to put these bits back together? Ill be getting a inline pulse unit for the speedo this week too.

So im not sure what i join these to.. The loom above?


BELOW
I found somewhere that these should go
Purple & purple with white trace join together (auto neutral switch)
Pink to a terminal on reverse switch & the light green to the other terminal So do these piggy back onto the reverse loom above?
Brown & black isolate apart (light switch for old auto) not needed
Yellow to hand brake switch.


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#108 Posted : Wednesday, 21 July 2010 7:33:42 AM(UTC)
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Sorry that doesnt quite read properly...

The T bar wires all make sense. just want to confirm that. But im mainly wondering what connects to the loom plugs just near the delco, (if anything) and what do i join the 3 speedo wires to?

And by piggy back, i meant to say join...

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#109 Posted : Wednesday, 21 July 2010 9:08:47 AM(UTC)
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Large plug near the ECU is the dash loom.
Smaller plug (6 wires) is the ALDL plug - diagnostics - nothing plugs into it.

At the shifter, pink is ign 12V+, and green is reverse lights, so just connect the new reverse light wires to those 2.
Join the 2 purple wires together (this goes to the starter).
Black wire on the bulb holder is an earth. Grey is illumination 12V+. Insulate this one.

Your speedo wires connect into the VN's dash loom behind & above the stereo.
This loom runs across fromt the ECU plug, to the RH side of the dash (and eventually out into the engine bay). The speedo wires actually head across to one or more of the 3 cluster plugs in the back of the dash, get processed in the cluster, and are then sent back to the ECU via that dash loom.

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#110 Posted : Thursday, 22 July 2010 12:05:16 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Mick.
All the shifter and reverse bits i can do. The speedo into dash wires and the dash loom sound a bit more complex. How do I adapt these to a VH? Is it obvious where the dash loom joins up? Ill have a look tonight, but it sounds like these bits will be best left to an auto electrician..

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#111 Posted : Thursday, 22 July 2010 2:18:45 AM(UTC)
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Also Mick how do i pop out the headlight switch and the air con vents? ive had a go but cant move them and Ive discovered the plastic in these cars is very unforgiving so i dont want to force it...

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#112 Posted : Friday, 23 July 2010 7:13:10 AM(UTC)
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Speedo wiring depends on what you're running - if you have the cable that has the inbuilt 3-wire sender, or the pass-thru type of speed sender (so you still cable-drive your speedo, but have an electronic output for the ECU) then these generally only need to connect to the ECU.

If you're running the factory VN system (and not the conversion cable) it has to be wired via the pulse divider in the VN cluster (I'm not even going to begin to explain it - an auto sparky would be your best bet in that situation).

LH & RH aircon vents:
- close off the vent.
- using a pair of needle-nose pliers, and a small flat-blade screwdriver, jam the driver in the top of the lower vent, at the pivot point - lever it apart a bit, while pulling on the vent bit, to pop the top out. Repeat for the bottom of it.
- on the top vent, do the same, but the pivots are in the sides.
- once you have the vent bits out, you can see how you undo the 2 phillips screws in the top - then pull the vent out of the dash towards yourself.

Headlight switch will break easily if you try to pry up a corner of it. I generally use a wider paint scraper & pop the whole bottom edge out, then grab it either side with your fingers, and pull it towards you.

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#113 Posted : Saturday, 24 July 2010 4:31:48 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Mick.

I got the pedals in yesterday. man what bitch of a job. I think whatever moneys leftover from this will be goin to the chiropractor!! ha. But i couldnt get the corner out so i ended up just pulling the steering column out. I also got the k frame n strut towers etc back in. Have also run the ecu cable through the firewall and sorted the accelerator and clutch cables.

In reference to your post above, I havent done anything wth the speedo yet. So far i still have the VH speedo with the square cable in it. I was just going to attach the inline pulse thingy. Im not sure what the factory VN setup is. Whats your advice on the best way to go about sorting the speedo out? Do i still need to get it wired into the ECU somehow? Be great if i could still use the VH cable cos changing its a pain the bum!

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#114 Posted : Sunday, 5 September 2010 6:08:39 AM(UTC)
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Got some time in the man cave last week so thought i might post an update.

Had a bloke check out the 304 the week before and he gave it the all clear. No crank float or lobe wear. Didnt inspect the heads. Sump was leaky anyway so new gaskets etc and she'll be right mate....

Got the engine in after some huffing and puffing and a bit of swearing. Had trouble with the base of the extractors fouling on the steering rack. Undid em at the flanges and all sorted. Shes a tight fit but all good!

Apart from breaking the hook off the tip of the clutch fork on the steering shaft.... >:-(





This is where the T5 sits


Getting a mate to make up a plate for it, as well as dog leg the shifter and make up a T5 crossmember. The gearbox mount ends up right in between 2 of the holes so will have to bolt on at 4 points.


Looks like the air intake will fit in there with the battery tray bashed down a bit, but wont know until I get the bonnet back on. Might need to cut it down a bit.



And Mick heres some pics of what we discussed.

This is how much room is on both side at the moment. Not counting fuses, charcoal canister and battery.



On this side its pretty busy with all the gas stuff you can see ive placed the map sensor just behind the air intake where it can stay horizontal. I could make up a proper bracket and fit ii in there.


And are these the 2 plugs from the firewall you were talking about?


These are their friends on the original 308, and what i assume id be after from the wreckers...?


Also this is the speedo pulse convertor. Do those instructions sound about right? If so where do I run the wires to? Does it just need to run directly into a blue wire in the ECU? Is the black just an earth? And where do i run the red positive wire to? (sorry.. nuff nuff)


I have this plug still sitting on the ECU, all dressed up but no place to go.


And is this the loom you are wanting...? Plus the engine loom.. Cheers again mate.



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#115 Posted : Sunday, 5 September 2010 6:22:12 AM(UTC)
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cool man looks good!

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#116 Posted : Sunday, 5 September 2010 11:08:00 AM(UTC)
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And Mick heres some pics of what we discussed.

No probs. I reckon there will be enough room beside the battery to put the 4 relays (fitted like VL 6 cylinder ones - have a look at a VL in the wreckers & you'll understand) - behind the RH headlight.
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On this side its pretty busy with all the gas stuff you can see ive placed the map sensor just behind the air intake where it can stay horizontal. I could make up a proper bracket and fit ii in there.
I don't see a MAP sensor in there? I see the ignition module (finned alloy box) tucked behind the airbox. The MAP sensor is the black plastic thing mounted to the bracket on the passenger side of the firewall, with a green plug going into it (3 wires).

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And are these the 2 plugs from the firewall you were talking about?
Yep, that's them.
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These are their friends on the original 308, and what i assume id be after from the wreckers...?
Exactly. However, see that 6 pin plug? On the 308 it has all 6 pins occupied. Most of those harnesses only have the 5 pins (=no tacho signal) so if the one you grab has 5 pins, get a 2nd one that I can source the 6th pin out of.
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Also this is the speedo pulse convertor. Do those instructions sound about right? If so where do I run the wires to? Does it just need to run directly into a blue wire in the ECU? Is the black just an earth? And where do i run the red positive wire to? (sorry.. nuff nuff)
I understand them. I'll run it off the ECU harness for you when I sort out the other wires.
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I have this plug still sitting on the ECU, all dressed up but no place to go.
No probs - I'll sort him out as well. You need some functions off that one.
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And is this the loom you are wanting...? Plus the engine loom..
Yep, that's the bits I need, as well as the EFI engine loom, the bits you're sourcing from the wreckers, and those relay bases we spoke about.
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Cheers again mate.

No worries.

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#117 Posted : Monday, 6 September 2010 5:13:57 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Mick.
Ah I realise the map sensor youre talking about now. I have that cable tied up near the fire wall. Ill sort that out neatly (and horizontally) then and bolt the ignition module to the wall there.

The relay bases were just the bases/brackets from an EA to EL falcon yeah, and we'll use the actual relays from the VN loom? Or were you wanting me to grab some bits from a VL?

Ill get onto disconneting the engine loom this week.

Cheers again mate.

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#118 Posted : Tuesday, 2 November 2010 3:31:31 AM(UTC)
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Been a while so thought I might post an update...

made lots of progress over the last coupla months. juyst a matter of finding the time shes moooovin along...

Heres how the shifter plate came up. Once things are a bit more sorted im gunna weld a bit on and move it forward about 50mm or so...


had a mate weld me up a very nice crossmember using the original VN on and some scrap steel


Fits like so..


Just this week ran the charcoal canister lines under the guard


Mounted the canister under the front guard. manipulated a holder from a HZ or J or Q or something i wrecked, and it worked very nicely.


Messed with a VL battery tray which was a bit of a snug fit


And shes pretty much lookin like this at the moment.


Also got the VS tank in last week which was a perfect fit. (thanks mick)

Just gotta finish reconnecting some wiring then she off to get the clutch fixed (where i snapped the end off the clutch fork), the exhaust connected, and a wheel alignment.

Then ill take her in to get the fuel lines run and the wiring done. Hopefully drive it out if all goes to plan.. Ie I havent buggered up the loom wiring...

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