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#1 Posted : Monday, 3 May 2010 11:00:47 AM(UTC)
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What are the South African Holden HT Monaros worth here in australia ? I am not talking about the twin headlight chev SS.

I have heard they are worth less than Aus released Monaros ? I am wondering why.

They are Holden Monaro's. Made and sold by General Motors. The only difference is they were sold in another country.

Yeah sure there are minor differences in the trim, placement of the ID tags, and the ID tags look different ect,

BUT they are still a Monaro.

They are the same shape. They are the same car, the same engines, the same parts, they use the same ID numbers, ID 80837, 81837 ect.

Is it true that the South African Monaros that have been imported to Australia are worth less than Aussie models, and if so, can someone tell me what the really stupid reason for that is ?

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#2 Posted : Monday, 3 May 2010 11:29:34 AM(UTC)
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If you have a finite amount of anything (which leads into limited supply vs demand pushing up prices), and someone else brings along something to dilute that finite number, regardless of its predigree, it will always be looked down upon.

Owners of the finite amount will look down upon the cars as eroding their value (yes, a lot wont care, but there are others that do).
Buyers of the finite amount will be scared of purchasing an "outlaw" for fear of derision from the purists.

Aussie delivered Monaros are a finite (shrinking, and now growing...) amount, and for a lot of people, they hold that sought after pedigree to fulfil a life long dream, that no other "imposter" can.

It is the same reason why Blue VK Group As go for such high $$, when there are far higher speccd Brocks around, worth a fraction of the value of a bluey. Its all about the mystique, and fulfilling boyhood dreams.

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#3 Posted : Monday, 3 May 2010 5:19:15 PM(UTC)
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I guess its percption, people think they willnot get as much in the future for a SA Monaro. Fact that it has no chassis number and will always be an import. But is a local assembled Mustang worth more than the same as one imported from the US? Same would go for Chevs, Pontiacs, Toyotas etc. (friend had an import Toyota and they had trouble sellin it because people thought an import would be problems)

The same with the Fairmont GT, they are only wirth a fraction of the Facon GT.

Even the HG SS is identical in spec, just different guards.
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#4 Posted : Monday, 3 May 2010 5:59:54 PM(UTC)
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I have wondered the same because to my mind they are basically the same car.

I personally would love to have a Chev SS purely because they are the same but different, more of a talking point and you would probably get less nitpicking at car shows. Couldnt care less if the car snobs looked down their snout at me, hahaha.

Thats my 2 bobs worth.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, 8 May 2010 9:10:56 PM(UTC)
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#6 Posted : Sunday, 9 May 2010 1:01:09 AM(UTC)
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Thats a perfect example of a South African Chev SS.

The funny thing is the Holden Monaro was also sold there in 1968, 1969 and also the start of 1970. They then changed the guards and headlight/grille design and marketed it as the Chev SS through to 1973.

If this guy on ebay gets the price he is asking then I think that would be a good result.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:46:04 AM(UTC)
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Yes think Warren is on the money here.

Also I personally think the Chev SS is extremely unique and should be more of a collectable than it is.

Though it also seems a certain nostalgia is tied to a cars value therefore Example would be if i desired a Chev SS (South African Monaro) (or my father had one ) (two common known attractions to old Aussie Muscle cars) in the early 70's but couldn't afford one and now i can i will go out and get one , this can't happen with the RSA cars as they were not sold here , also they are not as closely tied to Bathurst as there Aussie cousin cars.They are perceived to be at times the CHEAPER option , this pushes the price down also.


Me personally i think the South African cars would be worth much more than they currently are.

Though i can't see them catching up in price any time soon.....
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 12 May 2010 4:41:31 PM(UTC)
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Here's one who thinks they're worth some money.

http://www.trademe.co.nz...ss/auction-289661717.htm

I don't recken they look as nice as the Monaro, but thats just me...
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 12 May 2010 6:01:35 PM(UTC)
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WTF is the spoiler all about, is he serious?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 12 May 2010 8:35:26 PM(UTC)
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WTF is the spoiler all about, is he serious?


Or those terrible wheels....
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, 12 May 2010 9:59:13 PM(UTC)
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I prefer the south african front to the aust one.
Would love to have a south African full house wagon version of the HG.

looking for an ex ambulance based on the hj/x/z 2 tonner see photo

and collector of all things ambulance police fire and the odd hq to wb parts
looking for an ex ambulance based on the hj/x/z 2 tonner see photo

and collector of all things ambulance police fire and the odd hq to wb parts
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, 12 May 2010 11:21:09 PM(UTC)
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Or those terrible wheels....
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Yes, nice wheels. You can see that he has carefully assessed the market and has decided to aim high on the asking price and aim low on the presentation. Wonder if he is prepared to chuck the yellow bucket in too?
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#13 Posted : Saturday, 15 May 2010 8:15:54 AM(UTC)
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I have just imported an SS Chevrolet, and am over the moon,after two weeks of working on and under the car I have not found any rust. The car is now regoed and engineered and when in Perth wherever we went people flocked to check her out.Now without bing rude I would like to point out that this car was designed and built in Australia and shipped to South Africa in so called knock down form (CKD) exactly what that means I am unsure of but surely everything was made here and shipped to South Africa and assembled.I spoke to the Perth Monaro club and they were only too interested in accepting the car and at no time did they say my car was not finite just like minded Monaro lovers enjoying and learning about other peoples cars.I do prefer the aussie front end but would not change it as I think it is unusual and something different.So if someone wants to look down on me and sneer to make them feel better about themselves good luck to them but they won't take the enjoyment of me cruising or working on my old Aussie designed and manufactured girl.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, 16 May 2010 9:00:57 PM(UTC)
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CKD means complete knock down, so in other words was sent as parts and then was assembled there. The body would have been welded together in the Port Elizabeth plant.

It is the same as Australian assembled Chevrolet, Pontiacs, Buicks, Mustangs, Galaxies, Dodge, Rambler etc.

At the moment they are grat value for money as they are the same as a Monaro. If you want the shape etc who cares. No different to say buying a GTS or a base model to modify, the shape is what you are buying.

If they are cheaper then those who have purchased are laughing all the way to the bank. If you are worried about value when selling, then it is like any commodity. It is only worth what somone else is prepared to pay for it.

Finaly, they are accepted by Monaro clubs as a Monaro. They are also welcome at the Monaro nationals.

Warren
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#15 Posted : Monday, 17 May 2010 12:44:33 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for your thoughts Warren, keep up the good work.

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