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Originally posted by HK1837
I knew Nick has NOS tyres. I still reckon I could find NOS rubbers easier than tyres!

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i reckon your right...

going to church makes you no more a christian than standing in a garage makes you a car...

www.classicozwreck.com.au

I agree on the paint question. For my money, if it looks to be an equivalent professional style acrylic paint finish as to what left the factory I would say that's OK, but a new 2-Pack finish would not be acceptable.

Now, being devil's advocate for a minute, I will re-phase my question:

What scores better in concours judging, in say an HK:

1. Original 40+ year old ignition leads, in perfect NOS condition.
2. Genuine GM-H replacement set, dated late 70s.
3. Aftermarket, near perfect repro lead set with period date markings.
4. GM-H/RS near perfect repro lead set with period date markings.

For me, 1, 3 & 4 would all be OK, as long as the judge could not pick the difference between the NOS & the reproduction set.

This is my point, sometimes a repro item is that good that it can be considered OK in concours. An example that comes which to mind, would be a repro dial lens for an Air Chief radio, some of the ones I have seen are near perfect & I would have trouble arguing over its originality.

Dr Terry

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The "policeman" is Ben Stewart.

I agree with you Terry, if it is as good as the original in appearance etc then it should be ok. Will be interesting to see what they pull up.

Warren

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Originally posted by Monaro Muscle Parts
Sorry i have not been on here for a while , but i have just come back from Antarctica on an expedition to get date coded air for peoples tyres for the Monaro Nationals .
So If you have Original Dunlop Soverreign , Dunlop Aquajet , Dunlop Guardian and Olympic Reflex Tyres, i am having a special on date coded air per 4 tyres , just let me know you year and month to check we have it in stock .



www.monaromuscleparts.com

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i'd have to sell my house just to pay for your air jimmy boy..let alone the tyres

"Reputations are made and broken as soon as you enter or leave my shed.."

Where do you get the leaded fuel from? They sure as sh** didnt have unleaded in them when they were new.

this sort of stuff nos vs rares is exactly why i will never enter my car in the concouse catagory as its too anal for me!! why do people feel they need a trophy and lets face it thats what this thread is about for them to know how good there car is as long as your happy with it who gives a fxck what other people think!! the best trophy you can get i think is when your driving down the highway and you get the big thumbs up better than any $12 trophy you will ever get!! and if it means that much to people i think they should go buy a trophy to avoid being dissapointed at future shows!! and why would you pay stupid nos prices when you can get stuff from other places for a fraction of the price oh i forgot its to say how good your car is!! nick you dont need judges to tell you how good you hk is you know its one sweet ride!!

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If your repro product quality is as good as the original or is a new part using old dies or tooling just put your name or mark on it and we'll all know who made.

warren i fully understand what you have said!! i was trying to point out that its nice when you get a trophy but not important!!

but to me i think the true reason we build these cars has somehow been lost in the way people now think!! especialy the rares vs nos stuff!! some people dont have the money to put nos on there car and dont mind a rares bit or even another manufacture!!

but most concouse guys are that anal now there mind set is oh i cant put that part on my car its not nos which to me is stupid!! as long as it looks the same what does it matter!!

we used to build these cars because we love them but its not like that anymore its a dog eat dog attitude now especialy in concous with judging which isnt fair on the judges either!!

shows i have been to a lot of the attitude has been but thats got a rares bit on it thats crap even though it may look the same!!

most concous cars are trailered and not driven anyway so what was the point in building it?? was it to say well i got first place for the one time in 12 months that i took it out!! wheres the fun in that and how do they enjoy there cars as we are only the custodians of these cars until we pass on and someone else has it and the next owner may not be as anal and he may drive it lots so that means for all your hard work in getting it to concouse stage you have missed the pleasure of enjoying your car!!

where as i drive my hk everywhere and i mean everywhere rain hail shine i dont care and anyone that knows me certainly knows that!!!!

i am driving to warwick with some great friends this year and there attitude is the same as mine!!

warren you looked at my engine bay in loxton 2006 and said it was almost at concours stage which blew me away as concous my car will never be i drive it too much for that to happen and as i said i will never want it judged in that catagory its not why i built it i tryed to just have a nice clean engine bay my car was judged at the loxton nationals and came 3rd!!

i was amazed as i thought if i got a trophy every monaro owner that was there deserved a trophy for keeping these cars we love on the road!!

at the end of the day the guys that have a big bank balance and have no money issues and the nos factor will have the advantage over guys like me that dont care if its repo or not i built mine to drive and i dont need a trophy from anyone to prove i have a nice car!!

i know of cars sitting around in sheds unfinished because the owners wont put anything but nos on there car so i tell them you dont have a big bank balance the nos parts have dried up so it looks like you wont be driving your car hey!!

nick you have one of the nicest 327,s around and if it where mine i would be driving it and showing it to the world not worrying about how good it is enjoy what you have mate as we are only here for a short time not a long time!! and warren i will gladly catch up with you and all the other guys from fastlane in warwick!!

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Originally posted by cloudy

Restored cars are nice but so is a good original, a good original would have less critics than a restored car.

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and a good dud/mock up or even "tribute" is much easier to own, drive, even sell, and most importantly ENJOY coz at the end of the day, when some expert guru sez this aint right or thats wrong, its easy to respond with "hey guru', its a dud..but it still got your attention didnt ya tool"..
fun with cars is the motto, and by reading all of the above posts(each to their own i will add), its been totally lost

"Reputations are made and broken as soon as you enter or leave my shed.."

I do not understand all the fuss about how someone wants to use their car, or present it or finish it. I know guys with custom cars that are awaiting someone that can supply good quality chrome to finish their cars. Are they as anal as restorers to concours, yes.

Yes I agree with you on use of a car and I purchased my Monaro to drive to work every day. Even though there is construction work going on and the car gets covered in dirt every day does not bother me, as I purchased it to drive there. I take it shoping, when the wife and I go out to the movies or dinner.

I even used my HK Monaro for the same. And when I worked at jupiter's casino, people said I was mad leaving it in the public car park. I worked rotating three shift so it was there every hour of every day of the week, but I had an alarm. After that job, and when I lived in Sydney, I commuted to work but never left it at the train station, but if I claimed it as an everyday driver then I would have. I left my other daily driver there. (anyone here want to claim they would leave their Monaro at a train station?) I did take it to TAFE a few times, but I would also consider this an unsafe place for an HK Monaro.

My wife used it in Mt Isa as the everyday driver (I walked to work as it was only 5kms) and she parked it in the middle of town in an unsealed car park, we also drove it to Lake Julius, 100km of dirt road and dry river crossings.

If you are prepared to do all those things with your Monaro then I think you can call it a daily driver, but a daily driver to one person is not to another. But the bare minimum would be driving to work, shops, beach and other places that you would leave it unattended for a period of at least 1 hour and cover no less than 20,oookm per year.

Finally, if someone wants to present their car in full restored condition and that is what excites them who are we to judge. People tell me I am mad for using my Monaro the way I do, but it is about to click 100000kms and I intend to clock 300000 by the time I retire. Then I shall retire it and buy one that has less than 100000 on it to replace it. I shall then enjoy that one in my retirement.

Warren