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#101 Posted : Monday, 5 July 2010 2:29:08 AM(UTC)
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To David Rayner
Firstly ,thanks taking the time to cut and paste my original post at the beginning of the thread.

I don't know who LX5008 is.

I think it was puzzling that LX5008 removed the copy of your letter if he was attempting to make your company look less professional than Phil's.

The way I read that letter I saw Rare Spares reacting to a challenge from a competitor in a fair and realistic way whilst not immediately eroding its price point as a first reaction.

If a company is marketing a good quality product and has an established price (even if it is making huge profit from it) and someone else comes up with a product which seems to be the same but is thrown into the market at a cheaper price, wouldn't it make sense to research and compare the quality of the competing product and then inform agents and resellers to compare the quality before trashing its brand with price cuts?

I think the letter was O.K. If anything it was an indication of pride and confidence in your products. David you have nothing to hide in that letter and I suggest you publish it here yourself. Most fair minded people would see it as a fair challenge to Phil.

Good luck to Phil and yourself. We, in this hobby need all of you. The more suppliers, the more variety, the more quality gets driven, the more this industry survives.

I for one would not entertain the thought of embarking on any kind of project in this area without you and all of the others out there.
If I have a need I would consider purchase from any of you.

Print the letter David, it won't bite you. It shows evidence that you are prepared to stand by your quality quality statement and demonstrate it in the field.

Nick

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#102 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 1:15:03 AM(UTC)
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Hello Silverfox and thanks for both your comments and advice.

Whilst you are perfectly correct in suggesting that Rare Spares could, and perhaps should publish the 'stolen' internal Distributor memo, we have nevertheless decided not to do so in this instance. We really don't see it to be ethical or fair to 'publicly' criticise another business even though there is no shortage of people happy to ctiticise us, even at times when it is totally unwarranted. We wish to remain above the 'sniper' tactics as we have always done in the past. However, this does not mean that we will cease to carefully compare products from our competitors, it's just that we will keep our assessments internally and let the customers decide which product best suits them. This is not only fair play but common business sense in our view.
Regards
David


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To David Rayner
Firstly ,thanks taking the time to cut and paste my original post at the beginning of the thread.

I don't know who LX5008 is.

I think it was puzzling that LX5008 removed the copy of your letter if he was attempting to make your company look less professional than Phil's.

The way I read that letter I saw Rare Spares reacting to a challenge from a competitor in a fair and realistic way whilst not immediately eroding its price point as a first reaction.

If a company is marketing a good quality product and has an established price (even if it is making huge profit from it) and someone else comes up with a product which seems to be the same but is thrown into the market at a cheaper price, wouldn't it make sense to research and compare the quality of the competing product and then inform agents and resellers to compare the quality before trashing its brand with price cuts?

I think the letter was O.K. If anything it was an indication of pride and confidence in your products. David you have nothing to hide in that letter and I suggest you publish it here yourself. Most fair minded people would see it as a fair challenge to Phil.

Good luck to Phil and yourself. We, in this hobby need all of you. The more suppliers, the more variety, the more quality gets driven, the more this industry survives.

I for one would not entertain the thought of embarking on any kind of project in this area without you and all of the others out there.
If I have a need I would consider purchase from any of you.

Print the letter David, it won't bite you. It shows evidence that you are prepared to stand by your quality quality statement and demonstrate it in the field.

Nick

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Grafton Speedway Club Rookie of the year 2006...True....
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#103 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 1:45:29 AM(UTC)
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You could publish an edited version that mentions no names. I read the "leaked" document but many here did not. You would only have to write what it said about sending samples. All done nice and clean nobody being denegrated publicly.

If you have a clearly better product than your competitors (& I have no doub't that you do) at a more expensive price (fair enough) what's wrong with letting the world know.

Vandals and graffiti "artists" do everyone a favour and target parking meters and fixed speed cameras only.
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#104 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 2:50:54 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for that Jim much appreciated. We will take your thoughts on board but again we are a little sensitive with the thought of criticising others even if we don't quote names. Sometimes there is a fine line between being competitive and ethical and at this stage I don't believe Rare Spares has ever croseed that line. Regards David
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You could publish an edited version that mentions no names. I read the "leaked" document but many here did not. You would only have to write what it said about sending samples. All done nice and clean nobody being denegrated publicly.

If you have a clearly better product than your competitors (& I have no doub't that you do) at a more expensive price (fair enough) what's wrong with letting the world know.

Vandals and graffiti "artists" do everyone a favour and target parking meters and fixed speed cameras only.



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#105 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 3:15:25 AM(UTC)
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ahhhh, it will overthrow rares!!!! i can just see it now on front page of tomorrows's papers, "Leaked Filing Cabinet Papers Threaten Monaro restoration"
let the letter out, its nothing, if the commonwealth and state government's can leak letters what does it matter if something from rare spares get out?


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#106 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 3:28:26 AM(UTC)
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I can just see it now.
Palace coup,receptionist runs out and gets hair dyed red and assumes control of the company.
Buys house in Altona and lives happily ever after with Nigel her hairdresser "friend".
Nah, couldn't happen..............not in Australia.
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#107 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 11:58:09 PM(UTC)
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ok guys, fill us in with the goss on judging, whats happening with who, what, where, when, how and if whats gunna happen. is benjamin going to judge still or has all the posts in here scared him off?? has a leaked memo shattered the dreams of the first 100pt car ever to be seen in the world happen?? will pricey be the torana nationals judge now??? will RS be taking over the GMH-TORANA forum with LX5008 being a moderator??? will the nats be moved from warwick to vulture st??
come on fella's, someones gotta know something

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#108 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 3:55:00 AM(UTC)
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#109 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:24:38 AM(UTC)
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<--------------- zips mouth now

i secretly wanna be judge

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#110 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:46:59 AM(UTC)
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The judging of all modified classes shall be done by the ASMF. That way there can be no doubt about integrity of the judging in that area.

The judging of stock classes shall be by people who know those models well enough.

Ben shall be one of them. I shall also be doing some judging and am open to anyone else who wants to help.

So if you are interested (and not just being an idiot) let me know what models you would be comfortable with. I can then supply you with all the things you will need on the day. We will be using the system used at the 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006 events. This system has been discussed here at length after it was not used in 2008, but if you need more info PM me.

Warren
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#111 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 7:47:15 AM(UTC)
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i wonder if phil keeps rare spares green wheel arch mould clip samples under his counter to show his customers.i think the letter was dirty dog tactics why stoop to that level your product should speak for itself thats my 2 cents
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#112 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 8:13:33 PM(UTC)
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Now thats funny
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#113 Posted : Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:54:06 AM(UTC)
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Hi Warren,

Would be greatly interested in the concourse judging criteria as am restoring a 74 Monaro GTS/4 Adelaide built and would want to see if mine qualifies for a concourse car, for eg. am using still the original factory armourglass glass but has some scratches and streaks in it. Does it qualify for concourse???

Cheers

GM05HQ
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#114 Posted : Sunday, 11 July 2010 1:35:58 AM(UTC)
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Concours requires the car to be in perfect condition, must wear correct type tyres, date codes allign etc. Rule book on Monaro nationals site.

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