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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 4:10:06 AM(UTC)
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hi guys back in a holden after 20 years brought a hj wagon auto somedays it will turn over and other times nothing and have to use the old scewdriver on the starter i am thinking neutral safety switch what are your thoughts.

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 4:33:05 AM(UTC)
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Could be loose honeypot on top of steering column. Push down on steering wheel and try to start it.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 4:45:23 AM(UTC)
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thanks for the reply pete just went and tried that did not do anything.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 6:10:43 AM(UTC)
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your ignition switch could need adjusting, when it starts do you have to turn the ignition all the way, til it won't go any further

if it's the netural safety switch (auto yeah?) try wiggling the shifter and pulling it towards park
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 6:16:34 AM(UTC)
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i push across to right as far as i can in park adn sometimes it will start that way.thanks for reply
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 8:56:32 AM(UTC)
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also possibly the starter solenoid is on the way out. also try renewing the thin wire that goes to the solenoid, if it has daggy ends or bad terminals that can make a difference. Try making the wire a bit shorter as well.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:17:28 AM(UTC)
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isthere a way to disable safety switch so i can find out for sure if that is the problem if it is there is no way i would drive it around till fixed.also does anyone abouit how much a safety switch would be
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#8 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 6:03:02 AM(UTC)
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you need to check when it wont start, use a test light at the solenoid wire while some one holds the key to start position to see if you got power that will test the inhibitor switch if you have power there most probably starter motor if you have power bump the starter with hammer handle if it goes motor or solenoid is stuffed.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 9:04:47 AM(UTC)
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To disable safety switch you have to locate it on the bottom of the steering column or the T bar if floor change and there will be 2 wires going in pull them off the terminals and join them together.
TEMPORARILY this is dangerous can cause the car to move if accidentally still in gear.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, 8 July 2010 6:39:52 PM(UTC)
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Wayne On most vehicles as they they mature the resistance in all of your components increases to the point where the start signal at the engine ends up being only several volts.
This combined with a worn starter usually results in a no start situation when your engine is hot.
Fitting a relay at the starter usually buys you a bit more life from the old components as it gives you 12 volts to the start terminal.(sort of like having a remote control screwdriver).But this will only work if as mentioned in other replies that your key start switch and the neutral start switch are functioning and adjusted correctly,
(1) Start with clean tight battery terminals.Then using a test light check for signal at the starter's push on wire.(purple wire)
(2) Check that that the auto shifter and safety switch are adjusted correctly,eg P=park R=reverse N=neutral (switch on column down near floor if its column shift, or on T/bar base if its floor shift (Purple wires are for start, green wires are for reverse lights)
(3) The switch for the key is mounted on top of the column and operated buy a long rod from the steering lock. This means the column has to be lowered to adjust this, (take care if its column shift that you are gentle on the cable that moves the dash pointer if lowering the column)move switch back.
(4) Repair or replace starter
(5) Probably where I would start if you get a signal at the starter is to fit a relay
Work safe Oily
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 10 July 2010 9:34:04 PM(UTC)
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hi guys turned out to be safety switch thanks for replys.
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#12 Posted : Monday, 12 July 2010 9:37:07 AM(UTC)
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Wayne On most vehicles as they they mature the resistance in all of your components increases to the point where the start signal at the engine ends up being only several volts.
This combined with a worn starter usually results in a no start situation when your engine is hot.
Fitting a relay at the starter usually buys you a bit more life from the old components as it gives you 12 volts to the start terminal.(sort of like having a remote control screwdriver).But this will only work if as mentioned in other replies that your key start switch and the neutral start switch are functioning and adjusted correctly,
(1) Start with clean tight battery terminals.Then using a test light check for signal at the starter's push on wire.(purple wire)
(2) Check that that the auto shifter and safety switch are adjusted correctly,eg P=park R=reverse N=neutral (switch on column down near floor if its column shift, or on T/bar base if its floor shift (Purple wires are for start, green wires are for reverse lights)
(3) The switch for the key is mounted on top of the column and operated buy a long rod from the steering lock. This means the column has to be lowered to adjust this, (take care if its column shift that you are gentle on the cable that moves the dash pointer if lowering the column)move switch back.
(4) Repair or replace starter
(5) Probably where I would start if you get a signal at the starter is to fit a relay
Work safe Oily



My old HQ has had starting problems for the last 15 years I rekon.
Turn the key and it clicks and about 10 attempts later it turns over and starts. I changed the starter and switch and safety switch years ago but it made no difference.
I see it as an anti-theft device now, only I can start the car no-one else can.
It has never failed to start but I'm sure it will one day.
Maybe I'll run through your check list too thanks for the info.

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#13 Posted : Friday, 29 October 2010 7:53:22 PM(UTC)
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looks like it wasn`t safety switch back to having same problem starter is fine there is a breakdown somewhere between starter and ignition.

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#14 Posted : Friday, 29 October 2010 7:57:21 PM(UTC)
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wayne,has the problem gone for 3 months then come back?

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#15 Posted : Friday, 29 October 2010 8:16:44 PM(UTC)
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when i first got the car it had the problem then i disabled the neutral safety switch which was about 3 months ago i took the car into automatic shop the other day to get speedo fixed went to drive it home and nothing it started fine when they drove it out of the workshop the mechanic hooked up a wire that i can touch the battery with to start it incase it stalled on the way home.

thanks for the reply jim
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#16 Posted : Friday, 29 October 2010 8:27:01 PM(UTC)
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bit confusing,did they hook up the switch again or is it still disabled?

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#17 Posted : Friday, 29 October 2010 8:35:14 PM(UTC)
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switch is still disabled going to replace battery terminals and see if i can get the wiring around starter cleaned up.

thanks wayne
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#18 Posted : Friday, 29 October 2010 8:48:13 PM(UTC)
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yep,use all fresh wiring if you can,then work "backwards" from there,let us know how you go.I'm actually thinking starter solenoid here.to test(wait till it wont start)then have someone turn ignition full on as if to "start " the car and tap it with a steel pole(hydraulic jack handle) and hammer just slightly if it starts thats it.


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#19 Posted : Saturday, 30 October 2010 12:26:35 AM(UTC)
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will keep you posted would not being in gear properly cause it can when i was able to start it i had it in park and had to force the gearlever up as hard as i could.

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#20 Posted : Saturday, 30 October 2010 12:39:45 AM(UTC)
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yes it would,adjust the position of the neutral safety switch ,move it "slightly" back towards the rear of the car,so you dont have to push the shifter too hard forward.

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