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Originally posted by 70htprem
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Warren
The logical question then is how/where does everyone else find this criteria?
Was'nt Nicks car also the winner of several other similar events?
Is the "criteria" used worldwide or brought forward by a localised contingency set of rulings?
Is there a "criteria" book for becoming a judge?
Are the judges rotated, or is it always same hat?
Is there any way the judging can be swayed or bought?
If you trust the current system, why?
Should a "peoples choice" award be included?
Please don't be offended by my questions, I just feel that greater transparency and better communication is usually always the key to more truth, growth and stronger relations. I do realise there is a lot of money at stake, as a car judged a winner at an event in a particular category is almost certainly assured of increase in value.
Which brings me back to the winning car again. If a better more original unknown car should appear would judges get a case of better the devil you know, than to turn around and perhaps get it all wrong with what could be a forgery?
Thanks in advance Warren, Regards, Erik

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Erik... I cant tell you about any criteria or judging...but I can give you some history on nicks HK base model... yes it has won concourse at the last 3 nationals but the car has improved each and every nationals... the main difference between nicks car and a lot of others is what the car was when he bought it some 9 or 10 years ago... It was a genuine 39,000 mile 1 owner car that had been largely untouched all its life... when he got it there was only some minor crows feet on the top of both rear quarters... the gent that owned it died about 10 year prior to nick buying it and when found it hadnt been out of the shed since... the interior as you see it is largely unrestored... the trim, carpet, headlining console are all as delivered in the vehicle... only minor cosmetic improvements to the dash have been made...and the steering wheel (dont start me on the steering wheel dramas at loxton.... from that you can guage the quality of the car when nick bought it...

before nick started a concours resto he took literally hundred of photos and made pages of notes on things like what bolts/washers were zinc coated and which were painted... where the paint marks were and what colours were where... yes the paint marks were still on the car and he has the photos to prove it... nearly all the part that have been changed are genuine NOS straight out of the box... Nick stripped and painted the car himself.... the body alone was hand finished over a 6 month period.... and this was a car that started out needing bugger all bodywork....

now let me tell you about Nick... the guy is a freak when it comes to his car.... he took a full week off work prior to the warwick nationals to get it ready.... he loaded the car onto his truck at 4pm on Thursday, just over 24 hours from the close of scrutineering in warwick... after recovering from a blowout and with just 2 1/2 hours sleep on the side of the road at deepwater 100klm south of warwick he rolled into the B&B where he was staying at 6am in the morning.... he immediately unloaded the truck and started detailing the car... all day friday he spent under it, inside it and head under the bonnet... I can tell you at 4pm on friday with 1 hour before scrutineering was to close the car still didnt have a grill and radiator in the car.... why were they out of the car... well you cant clean the bloody thing properly with them in he snapped... so after rolling in to scrutineering with about 15 minutes and being totally disgusted that he hadnt had time to wash the car.. the car was officially entered in the 2010 nationals.... so after about 40 minutes chatting to people at the showground he drove the beigemobile back to the B&B and recommenced the parts of the car he hadnt had time to detail during the day.... at just after midnight and with just 2 1/2 hours sleep in the previous 48 hours including a drive of about 1000klm the guy finally had a sleep.... but wait... the car still hadnt been washed... so what did he do... set his alarm for 4.30am and took the car to carlovers for a wash and then back to the B&B for its final polish and chrome work detail prior to taking it to the showground around 8.30 saturday morning...

I guess what im trying to point out is that it takes far more than a car with a big engine and a heap of nos parts and a shiny new paint job.... a concours resto and a cars presentation for judging says more about the bloke that owns it than the car itself... nick is damn proud of his car as he should be...

people do shake their head at how a bloody base model can be the concours champion 3 nationals running.... but it doesnt surprise me one bit....

and finally to all those that think the car is all show... find the group of guys we went on a cruise to the falls with on sunday once the drags were off.... here it was pissing with rain and we are in a line of cars with a beautiful aquamarine LS350 coupe in front of him... when he puts the bloody foot down and screams past the 350 at nearly 90mph... original dunlops and all... the look of WTF on the people in the LS 350 was hilarious.... and the picardy red 327 was eating dust behind....

anyway... i know i have rambled on abit but I just wanted to set the record straight about the beigemobile and its owner and what it will take to present a car that can beat it at a nationals... you see you just dont have to beat the car... you have to beat the owner as well...

cheers
Al

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Thanks Al! That should do it, I'm good now.
If Nick had to do all that to one car, imagine how much sleep he would get trying to do three?
Congratulations to Nick for the award deservedly bestowed to him and his very special car.
Still, I can't help but feel slightly disappointed and embarrassed that judges this year never had an ovation or even a mention for someone getting 3 great cars into the event. I guess if it's any consellation to Paul Kelly, it would be his three cars will always be remembered as the "trio" that shook the s*** out of Warwick.
Sounds like he certainly made Nick work for his trophy.
Hope they both read these postings, and see for themselves how their cars have ignited so many enthusiasts passions for these cars.
Thank you Paul and Nick, you guys are f***en great!!
(apologise for the swearing here, could'nt help it though)

I thought the trio that shook the s**t out of Warwick were the car thieves and those that broke into the shops on the main street!

FYI each of the WA entered cars, including my HG and the above mentioned HT drove to the event! Did "Mr Trio"?

Carpe Diem

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Originally posted by 65ehpv
I thought the trio that shook the s**t out of Warwick were the car thieves and those that broke into the shops on the main street!

FYI each of the WA entered cars, including my HG and the above mentioned HT drove to the event! Did "Mr Trio"?

Carpe Diem

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Petty thieves and burglars don't rate a mention when we are talking about your special HG or any other car for that matter.
God I hope they catch those losers!
Did you enjoy the event? (whats FYI?)

Perhaps Warren would be able to answer your question?
We drove up from Victoria, and had an absolute ball all the way.
At least we made it one piece :-)
Did you hit the Bellarineclassicautos stand at the event?
I was there helping Dave out. Met some fantastic people all day.
Unbelievable!!
A party that lasts for 5 days, still recovering. Hopefully I never will. ;-)

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Originally posted by 70htprem
Thanks Al! That should do it, I'm good now.
If Nick had to do all that to one car, imagine how much sleep he would get trying to do three?
Congratulations to Nick for the award deservedly bestowed to him and his very special car.
Still, I can't help but feel slightly disappointed and embarrassed that judges this year never had an ovation or even a mention for someone getting 3 great cars into the event. I guess if it's any consellation to Paul Kelly, it would be his three cars will always be remembered as the "trio" that shook the s*** out of Warwick.
Sounds like he certainly made Nick work for his trophy.
Hope they both read these postings, and see for themselves how their cars have ignited so many enthusiasts passions for these cars.
Thank you Paul and Nick, you guys are f***en great!!
(apologise for the swearing here, could'nt help it though)

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Taking 3 cars is probably what cost Paul in the long run... it seems that he spread himself too thin... theya re all great cars in their own right no doubt about it...

I also agree that not enough kudos is given to the show class winners and concours winners at the event... if they are the marquee classes that everyone should aspire to then make a big deal out of it.... just my opinion..

Al

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Originally posted by Silverfox
John

Firstly, I say that you deserve a huge compliment for driving your car across the continent to attend the Nationals.

As many of you know I trailered my Monaro four hundred Ks so by comparison I am a ppuussy.

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Ah yes, But I did see you drive it through a large amount of particularly sticky mud on the Monday. I bet there is still some in your wheel arches.

Could not believe it when I saw it.. But I thought "Good on you for driving it"

have a look on australian muscle car web site theres a smick beige hk 186 monaro might be it.

I like the NRMA decal on the passenger side quarter window. Does anyone know where I could obtain a few? I could use it on my EH panelvan and the HG panelvan.

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Can anyone tell me if Paul drove his fantastic 307 HK to the event

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No as i watched them push it into place. Can't have 1.8 miles on the clock if it was driven. Also when the cars had to undertake the performance test, it was evident that this was the first time it was started.

Re Nick, yeah it is great that he loves driving his car as well.

Carpe Diem