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#1 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 5:24:21 PM(UTC)
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Got bored with the rain yesterday and typed these up.
Have a go, shouldn't be as hard as the last one. And I think I have the answers, Dr Terry i'll email you my answers and see if you concur!

1. What was the biggest 6cyl engine fitted to a production vehicle with a GMH compliance/ADR plate?

2. What was the biggest 6cyl engine fitted to a GMH designed/built body (production vehicle)?

3. What was the longest running individual, unboltable body panel fitted to an Australian GMH vehicle (Holden, Torana, Sunbird, Commodore, Statesman or export derivatives)? Minor changes allowed. Examples: flush and proud door handles on LC/LJ/TA door handles; badge or strip holes/nipples on guards.

4. Same as Q3, except UNCHANGED individual panel.

5. Longest running body panel pressing (panel welded into a body shell)?

6. I am looking at 2 x cars, and 1 x set of ID plates (removed). Cars are both HQ-HZ (take your pick of series, no difference), both the same series, model, colour, trim, plant and constructed in the same month/year. Both bodies are basically stripped of all major components including shifter and linkages (if column shift) and wiring harness. One was V8 trimatic, the other V8 TH400. Neither had A/C. Chassis rails are removed from both. What 2 x body shell differences can I rely upon to pick the right body for the tags? Tags say M41 as transmission.


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#2 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 5:42:31 PM(UTC)
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1) 3.8 litre
2) Blue flame 6, 250 cu
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5) Panel van roof panel, HK to WB. (may evcen be HD to WB)
6) Speedo cabl entry

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#3 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 6:05:46 PM(UTC)
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Greetings,

Answer 1 is easy - 466 cubic inch as fitted to Bedford. VIN plate code is R for this engine.

Need to stimulate the mind to recall the others.

Q2 is confusing if the GMH designed/built is both. Chevrolt trucks were built here but not designed here and an engine is fitted to a chassis and not a body.



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#4 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 6:39:45 PM(UTC)
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Warren has Q5 right HD-WB roof panel, and 1/2 a point for Q6 speedo cable entry into firewall. There is another part to Q6 though.

Git I am pretty sure you are right for Q1, ie big Bedford 6cyl. I thought the biggest was a 300ci in Bedford with GMH ADR plate, but happy to be wrong. Q2 is for a Aussie derived vehicle, ie panels pressed here. So no C20/C30/K20 or Bedford or Suburban etc.

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#5 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 7:09:26 PM(UTC)
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Thankx muchly HK1837. Bedfords were in 214, 300, 330, 381 and 466 cubic inches. 300 was available in both petrol and diesel with 300+ in diesel only.

I'll work on the others


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#6 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 7:13:46 PM(UTC)
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Brainwave! Q3 might be the metal retainer surround plate that holds the shift boot to the floorpan in a car with a GMH four speed gearbox?


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#7 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 7:41:46 PM(UTC)
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Unboltable body panel. So doors, guards, bonnet, nose, bootlid, tailgate etc.

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#8 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 7:52:16 PM(UTC)
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Would question 4 be the bonnet on HQ to WB?
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#9 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 7:53:53 PM(UTC)
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Would 3 be the HQ to WB commercial tail gate?
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#10 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 8:20:16 PM(UTC)
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WBute you have given the answer to Q4 as Q3, ie HQ to WB van upper and ute & van lower tailgates 11/71 to 12/84. At least this is what I believe it is, anyone think of something that ran for longer? I originally thought of the HJ-WB bonnet 10/74 to approx 1/85 but the tailgates are longer.
Now your answer you gave for Q4 ie HQ to WB bonnet isn't right, but it is very close.


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#11 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 8:24:43 PM(UTC)
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question 3 ...front doors from hq 1971 to wb 1985
question 4 i dont quite understand but enlighten me a bit better..

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#12 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 8:26:26 PM(UTC)
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the way i read q4 its the same answer as q3

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#13 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 8:56:00 PM(UTC)
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Greg has Q3 right, HQ to WB front doors, 5/71 to 1/85 or thereabouts. Doors changed a fraction along the way.
Q4 is HQ-WB coommercial tailgates, 11/71 to 12/85. Same things all the way.

Remember HQ commercials didn't exist until 11/71 either.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, 26 October 2010 1:34:12 AM(UTC)
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Q6 --speedo cable clip on bottom corner of heater box and same clip lelf hand floor pan ? mark.

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HB ---TA front guards & bonnett must be second longest panels ?? Mark.

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, 26 October 2010 1:55:01 AM(UTC)
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Yep, that's it for Q6 - speedo cable hole in passenger's side floor for bolt to support the cable clip (along with the hole for the cable itself in the firewall as Warren got before).

How many years HB - TA? HQ bonnet and guards lasted from 5/71 through to around early 1980 on tonners so just under 9 years.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, 26 October 2010 3:06:54 AM(UTC)
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How many years HB - TA?

HB-TA bonnet & front guards went from 5/67 to 3/75 (7 years, 10 months). The bonnet was bolted on but the front guards were welded on.

The time frame for the longest lived welded panel, I believe is almost 20 years.

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#18 Posted : Tuesday, 26 October 2010 4:23:19 AM(UTC)
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Have a new Q4 contender. Cowl grille panel, same part number from 5/71 through to the end of WB!

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#19 Posted : Tuesday, 26 October 2010 8:00:07 PM(UTC)
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So answers so far are:

Q1 - I'll give Git 1/2 point for the 466ci 6cyl diesel. Answer is 500ci diesel as fitted to 1975-1979 ELR and EMT Bedfords. Biggest 6cyl petrol engine is a 300ci engine as fitted to EFR Bedfords 1970-1974. This would have to be close to the biggest engine in a GMH complianced vehicle too? How big were the Isuzu truck engines?

Q2 - no answer yet. Warren has the capacity right, but the blue flame was only a 235ci or thereabouts. What had a 250ci 6cyl?

Q3 - HQ to WB doors with no intrusion bars. 5/71 through to approx 12/84.

Q4 - HQ to WB cowl grille. 5/71 through to end of WB Statesman (roughly 1/85, maybe fractionally later).

Q5 - HD to WB van roof turret panel.

Q6 - Speedo cable hole in firewall plus small hole in passenger's floor for cable support.

So anyone care to expand on Q2?

While researching Q1, I actually found another good question - what is the biggest capacity V6 installed in a GMH complianced vehicle? No-one will get it as it is pretty obscure. 1968 ERV Bedford had a 6V53 Detroit Diesel, 1970-1974 ERV had a 6V53N. A 6V53 is a V6 diesel (see here http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product160.html). Being a 2-stroke i'm not sure if the formula for 6 x 53ci = 318ci actually holds true?

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, 26 October 2010 11:28:11 PM(UTC)
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Another quiz
Why a 130 ci red motor when we had a red 138.
Does anyone know that one.
Why not just export the 138? in the HT-G-Q & LC-J
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