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#61 Posted : Monday, 8 November 2010 9:22:59 PM(UTC)
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Most of the LS's? Isn't vinyl roof standard on HQ and HJ LS?

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#62 Posted : Tuesday, 9 November 2010 3:40:10 AM(UTC)
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That is true of the HQ, but HJ LS it was not standard.

Plus the mold on an HJ is different to the HQ (look on your Premier, the mold has a grain to it, HQ is smooth like a door mold)

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#63 Posted : Tuesday, 9 November 2010 4:05:38 AM(UTC)
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Another rare part, even discounting the number of colours, would be HK and HT Kingswood power window door trims.

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#64 Posted : Tuesday, 9 November 2010 5:51:38 AM(UTC)
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Especially front ones for early HK's.

I didn't realise HJ LS was optional. Those would be very scarce then.

I still reckon 4.88:1 gears for a HK-HT would be rarer than 4 fitted during production.

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#65 Posted : Tuesday, 9 November 2010 5:29:06 PM(UTC)
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The other part I thought of is the input shaft for the optional XU-1 box with the EREW part number, even closer ratio than M21 with 2.32:1 1st. I doubt more than a couple of these were fitted during production if any.

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#66 Posted : Wednesday, 10 November 2010 2:05:20 AM(UTC)
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were there any special parts just for the 50th anniversary calais only 375 built and numbered on the id plate.
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#67 Posted : Wednesday, 10 November 2010 2:35:37 AM(UTC)
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The 50th Calais have only one unique part, the centre cap on the wheel.

Althought the wheels being painted gold gives them a unique part number.

The compartment doors and shift surround are paint in a unique colour, but I think this was also used on the VT internationals.

375 is way outside the ball park of unique here. The 50th Statesman was 200 or 250 units. The dash badge was unique on these. Once again 250 is way too many, unless we look for regular parts on normal and limited run vehicles. (ie not optional stuff like diff ratios, vinyl roof molds, speedo adaptors for unique ratios)

I have a 50th Calais and its not numbered.

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#68 Posted : Wednesday, 10 November 2010 3:37:14 AM(UTC)
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At the birdwood mill I think they've got a
VN electric/petrol factory built concept car?..game over there is just "1"bahahah

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#69 Posted : Wednesday, 10 November 2010 4:24:36 AM(UTC)
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If that one didn't qualify for "production" status, then what about the HRT-427? They built 2 of them, but both are different in a number of ways.
The "radio delete" panel that covers the big hole left in the dash wears a GMH part number - and both of them got one each (albeit fitted with switches from memory).

However, the same panel would no doubt have been fitted to cars with the "radio delete" option, but how many VT/VX would have seen that option? Even the Brethren who can't have radios simply leave them in & remove/disconnect the speakers (especially on cars like the BA onwards fords, and VE onwards commodores where the A/C controls are part of the radio display).

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#70 Posted : Wednesday, 10 November 2010 5:30:24 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by HK1837
Agree, they probably were the rarest part fitted to a GMH product although any part (or total assembly) off a 12 bolt in HK-HT 1837 may beat it, especially gears for any single ratio.
What about the shortest lived part though?

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Greetings, The HK-T 12 bolt rear axles were only available as a spare part through Nasco. They were not a part fitted during the making of the cars so adaptors for these do not count in this quiz. The shortest part has already been done. It was the HR floor shift boots.


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#71 Posted : Wednesday, 10 November 2010 5:39:38 PM(UTC)
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Vinyl roof molds are different between sedan and coupe, and the HJ type has a grain in it. Of the 900 HJ coupes, how many do you think had vinyl roof?

Air con is still rare in HT/G even in the Brougham.

Yes add the HK 12 bolt as there were more than 1 ratio, so each ratio would count.

But 4 units as a confirmed number you would think to be the winner. However this same part was used on 4.10 rear axle on HK, so add a few more.

4.55 and 4.88 use different adaptors again, each.

Anyway, 4.10 rear axle in HK would be Total adaptors less HQ adaptor.

Unfortunately we do not have access to all the records so confirmation of numbers is never going to happen.

Discounting number plaques which are unique per vehicle. GM-H only did this on two cars, 50th VC commodore and the dealership top 50th I think. Mick will know their exact name.

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Greetings, I wouldn't say being wrong brings pleasure, but it sure makes for some hard work. The number of HJ Monaros is actually 943 so there might be at least 43 with the vinyl roof moulds. I think the total number is much greater than 4, maybe even as high as 104.

There were probably less six cylinder cars with air conditioning than Broughams and they might not be rare as you say.

12 bolt diffs were only a spare part so don't count.

There are some guys in Sydney, at least one in Melbourne and the guy in Brisbane who has lots of records for Holdens.

Numbered plaques is an interesting point. HSV do it all the time so there are more than 4 here.


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#72 Posted : Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:44:02 AM(UTC)
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Are you sure the 12 bolt was spare part only? It was optional on HK 1837 and HT 1837M. Whether or not one was ever factory fitted is another thing though, just like the 2.32:1 aussie 4spd in LJ! I remember it being printed somewhere that the Beechey HT had one factory fitted, but it was a bit of a special anyway so may not count.

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#73 Posted : Thursday, 11 November 2010 7:46:57 PM(UTC)
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Greetings, How about a quiz as to the least used part on a Holden? That is the part that was used the least number of times on any model of car. I would imagine that it was someting used on the shortest running model but you never know. I don't know what it would be but am very keen to learn what everyone thinks on this. A guess would be something like Mick mentioned on the non-power steering VNs but maybe also the speedo adaptors for the low ratio axles on four speed cars in HK through to HQ? I don't know how you would prove the answer to this question either come to think of it.

Original question was not about production line parts, just parts.

The last sentence is critical, how can we prove anything without full records. (even the HQ to HZ are not full records)

Lots of suggestions, some maybe a bit higher than others, some estimates, some factual numbers.

The 4 adaptors for 3.55 would actual not be quite right, as there was only one adaptor for HQ, so 13 in total. (4 + 9)

Estimates on extra adaptors if fitted by dealer, and should they count? (were they optional and dealer fitted it, or was it an NASCO accessory?)

Do we include genuine dealer fitted NASCO accessorires?

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#74 Posted : Thursday, 11 November 2010 11:10:24 PM(UTC)
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Warren is correct. It's good fun to pose the questions, but there are no answers without full records. So that just makes it a fun conversation.

If we include accessories, EJ power steering might be up there, but my money is still on 4-sp HR Premier console boots.

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#75 Posted : Friday, 12 November 2010 1:27:25 AM(UTC)
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What about the 350 chev wagon ordered by BOB JANE? I think there was only 2 made with tags.

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#76 Posted : Friday, 12 November 2010 1:55:19 AM(UTC)
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What about the 350 chev wagon ordered by BOB JANE? I think there was only 2 made with tags.

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While that is a rare model, it doesn't wear any unique parts. After all there were plenty of 350/TH400 Statesmans etc. & plenty of wagons, so no special parts for that build.

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#77 Posted : Tuesday, 16 November 2010 6:13:02 PM(UTC)
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Greetings, How about a quiz as to the least used part on a Holden? That is the part that was used the least number of times on any model of car. I would imagine that it was someting used on the shortest running model but you never know. I don't know what it would be but am very keen to learn what everyone thinks on this. A guess would be something like Mick mentioned on the non-power steering VNs but maybe also the speedo adaptors for the low ratio axles on four speed cars in HK through to HQ? I don't know how you would prove the answer to this question either come to think of it.

Original question was not about production line parts, just parts.

The last sentence is critical, how can we prove anything without full records. (even the HQ to HZ are not full records)

Lots of suggestions, some maybe a bit higher than others, some estimates, some factual numbers.

The 4 adaptors for 3.55 would actual not be quite right, as there was only one adaptor for HQ, so 13 in total. (4 + 9)

Estimates on extra adaptors if fitted by dealer, and should they count? (were they optional and dealer fitted it, or was it an NASCO accessory?)

Do we include genuine dealer fitted NASCO accessorires?

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Thanx muchly for the clarification. I proposed the least used part question and it was aimed at cars as they were made in the first place. It would be ridiculous to assume the situation you indicate as nobody would know how many spare parts were used and in what timeframe.


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#78 Posted : Tuesday, 16 November 2010 11:02:26 PM(UTC)
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What about the 350 chev wagon ordered by BOB JANE? I think there was only 2 made with tags.

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Jim, 4 x HQ Premier wagons with L30 engine were made. HQ Kingswood sedan (non-XW8 optioned) and HQ Kingswood utility were 2 x in total for each with L30 engine. I agree with Warren though that there was no special parts used that weren't on other 350 powered coupes, Statesmans and sedans.

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#79 Posted : Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:24:53 AM(UTC)
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Greetings, This is some trivia that requires a definative answer please. Was the LH Torana range the first Holden/Torana to not offer rubber floor mats in even the base S model? I understand that carpets were the only floor covering across the board in this model.


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#80 Posted : Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:43:11 AM(UTC)
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Greetings, This is some trivia that requires a definative answer please. Was the LH Torana range the first Holden/Torana to not offer rubber floor mats in even the base S model? I understand that carpets were the only floor covering across the board in this model.


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No, AFAIK the LH Torana S had rubber floor mats.

I will have to check, but I believe that every Holden series had rubber floor mats in at least one variant. Even in VR/VS etc. were the base Executive had carpet as standard, there was still the Taxi pack, which had rubber flooring.

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