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Has anyone else noticed that more and more cars on AMCS have had incorrect information lately? For example, http://australianmusclecarsales...149899-hq-gts-monaro-350"Genuine 65000km from new" Obviously enthusiasts would pick up that this is not the case, but people a bit more naive could easily get ripped off here. These are the things that I picked which don't confirm the low k's: -Heavily worn brake pedal rubber, down to the metal -Heavy scuff marks on the honeypot where the keys dangle -grain worn off the top half of the steering wheel -front seats appear to have been re-trimmed -WB statesman underbonnet insulation/silencer -Wiper switch print worn off I would say that it has done 265000km or more likely 365000km given the wear and tear. A good original car in many ways, but how can the seller justify asking that sort of money, unless of course he/she truly believes that the mileage is that low. Perhaps AMCS should have a scrutineer that judges the information given by the seller, and selectively words the ad according to what he believes is correct. Any comments?
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slightly in accurate, it's done 65,149.35 Klms
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I bought my car through AMC last year and some of what was written was (clears throat) incorrect.
Mine was advertised as 65000km too and yet it had the wrong 200k/hr speedo in it. I dont know why they do it, it dosent help the seller at all.
Its exactly the same as my car so I hope he gets 74K for it :-)
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The problem is, they are only the "vehicle" to advertise it, so the seller has to assume all responsibility for any errors. This makes them somewhat immune to any legal action that could be taken by a buyer who discovers down the track that they were taken for a ride.
I've tried to assist them in the past with a car that was falsely advertised, and the reply I got was basically that they won't change it unless the owner agrees to change it, and my assistance was not appreciated.
You know what they say about used car salesmen.....and this is effectively what they are, just on another level. But unlike a caryard where you can go back & sue them for false advertising, AMCS can get away with it by hiding behind the "owner who provides the info is responsible" line. |
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I Agree Mick,The other thing is if your going to shell out that much money,go and have a look in person,if you've still got suspicions, easy dont buy it.If you can pick out faults with internet pictures ,chances are its not for you.Oh Yeah..Looks like"Overspray" on the side of the dash??Could be reflection. Edited by user Sunday, 13 March 2011 9:01:04 PM(UTC)
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As with every thing, its really a case of buyer beware. It really would have nothing to do with the company hosting the add any more than trading post was responsible for all the stuff sold through their newspaper before the net took over.
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half AMCS' luck, they have a great site, that is now a successful business as well. i dont have much time for the 2 of them, but credit where credit is due, they have put in the yards and good luck to them, and most of the time, they just print what the seller tells them to say in the ad, not their doing as they probably wouldnt know anyways. can you imagine everyday dealing with sellers that think they have something special and buyers that are experts and want everything for nothing?? good luck to them, and as for false advertising, if you dont like it, dont even look at the ad's. ebay is much much worse than AMCS
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Yep, buyer beware for sure. I bought a vehicle that was listed on AMCS back in 2008 just before the GFC. The previous owner said that when he listed it with AMCS, he was told add $20k to the asking price as the market was hot. Anyway, I got it for $22k less than the AMCS price, so back to square 1 on roughly what he wanted for it.
Handy info to know for anyone looking at cars on this website - if you think a particular car is out of your price range, it would still be worth persuing if you're in the same situation like what I was, if you're happy to fork out a considerable "deposit" or commission to them before viewing the car.
I hope this info is of some value to any of you forum members looking to purchase a muscle/classic car in the future.
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we wreck,
No one said they didn't like the AMCS site, all of the above are just comments on people's experiences with it. Hopefully it will help future buyers to read between the lines...
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For what its worth I have bought 3 cars off AMCS & have been happy with all aspects of the purchases. I have also sold several of my cars through AMCS & have been more than happy with the results. Only on one occasion was I dissapointed with a car I went to collect so I just did not pick it up & contacted Mike on Monday morning to tell him about my dissapointment with the way the ad was worded and the next day the ad had been changed. AMCS can only word it from the owners description and as the owner had assured me the car was as described it was obviously him who was lying. PS 8 months later the car is still on the site for sale. cheers Ron
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I have to agree with you about the brake pedal rubber wear. You normally only see that level of wear on the outer edge of the rubber on high mileage cars. Hmm....
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I never believe the "it's only done 59,000 miles" crap, unless there is a dated & stamped log/service book that has a checkable mechanics signature, it doesn't mater what site its on, or even in the paper, unless they can prove it, then you have to think the cars been around the clock at least once.
It has become a common thing on ebay "Barn find" (altho I didn't know Holdens were sold in the US) or "genuine one owner with original miles", but no books or paperwork to back it up, I saw this alot in the past year while looking for my wagon.
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Its advertising, you have to take responsibility for the car you buy yourself. Thats life.
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Buyer beware! that with all products you buy.
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Are there any obvious ways to tell if an odometer/engine has been around the clock? I bought my HK GTS Monaro in 1994 with ~59000miles on the clock and recently rolled it over to 0. I've always wondered if it had been around the clock once before I got my hands on it. I heard that (supposedly) the left hand 0 is a little out of line on odometer if it has rolled over to 0 again but this didn't happen so I'm guessing that was more rumour than fact. I have absolutely no idea of the history of my car between when it was built and when I bought it, how many owners, etc. I've done little to no work on it in the 17 years I've had it other than to enjoy driving it and fix it when it breaks, change hoses, spark plugs, oil, slow the effects of rust etc. No major mechanical problems so far and it's seen it's fair share of (my) ignorant abuse - would a car/engine (186S) run 200K without major problems? (vs only 100K)?
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If it had good oil changes and did very few cold starts/cold running it would probably be ok at 200000km(like a taxi).
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Its amazing how many under 100,000km/mile cars have been re trimmed, rebuilt enignes etc. They must have been such pigs or so unreliable that the owners could never drive them.
When you see a genuine low milage car you can tell. Especially when they claim they have been undercover. Most that claim to be are not.
Easy checks are things like brake pedal, springs in driver's seat, steering wheel, carpet/floor mats. Under 100,000km is like a 5 year old car. Abused VZs do not require a rebuild so why would a well looked after never driven HX with simular milage require it? (about the worst might be the engine from sitting, but the interior should be spot on)
Just my thoughts.
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I agree with Warren, my HJ Statesman has done around 300,00klms still running the original 308 it runs well but has tappet noise and some gasket leaks the interior is tidy and unrestored , even though it was cared for by one owner for 30 years ,the milage definatley suits the engine bay..lol
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