Unusual for it to be Cinnamon Brown as this was a Belmont, Kingswood, Monaro colour. That paint code is definitely Cinnamon Brown though. Also your roof colour (TOP) is Sudan Beige, an off white which was available on the above models. Interesting colour combo. Possibly done for a fleet?

All Premiers were available in metallic paint excluding Kashmir White and Warrigal Black. Goes to show people could order what they wanted. My 5/71 Melbourne built HG Premier is painted in Plumdinger purple.

I dont believe there are records of a breakdown on how many manual V8 prems were made or done in that colour etc.

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I agree on finding production numbers, it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

On the subject of V8 3-sp manual HG Premiers, they're probably not that rare.

Firstly, the 3-sp manual box was standard for all Premiers from HD to HQ, the auto was an option. Secondly, back in HT/HG days the 3-sp 253 V8 combination was being promoted by GM-H as being a more powerful, but cost-effective alternative to the Falcon & Valiant 6-cyl motors.

Dr Terry

It's amazing how basic Premiers were in those days.

When the EJ Premier was released, it had auto trans as standard along with leather trimmed front bucket seats amongst its list of standard equipment. You couldn't order a front bench or manual trans no matter how much you paid.

At the EH release the Premier got the new 179 as standard, while the rest made do with the 149 & the 179 as an option. From Feb 1964 in EH production you could order a manual trans version of the Premier, but still no bench front seat. HD Premiers had the manual trans as standard with the auto as option but the leather trim had now disappeared. Partway thru HR production they introduced a front bench seat option for the Premier, which of course deleted the centre console. HD/HR (from mid 1965) had front discs available, but again not standard for the Premier.

With the intro of the HK 'options game' the manual trans & bench front seat (which at least now had a fold-down armrest) was now standard fare & everything else (incl. auto) was optional. AFAIK it remained this way thru to the end of HQ production. Mechanically about all a Premier had over a Belmont/Kingswood was the 186 & a heater/demister as standard & even the heater demister was made compulsory for all models from early 1971.

BTW none of these early Premiers got a car radio or front disc brakes either, although front discs were finally made standard for the HQ upgrade in early 1973.

I believe that the first Premier which got auto trans, front buckets, front discs & a car radio all as standard was the HJ.

By mid-HZ the Premier now had 4.2 V8, power steering & a T-bar as standard.

Can you believe that no Holden of any model (including Brougham & Deville) had a car radio as standard until the 1973 Deville.

Dr Terry

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Originally posted by HK1837
Even if records were available I doubt anyone would bother with HG Premier numbers. Monaro yes, even that would take years!

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FYI byron, its not just all about monaros anymore.

afterall there was only approx 30,000 monaros ever made in HK,HT,HG range gts & base models included

even dunger monaros are askin biig prices aye ??

prem ,broughams & yes! even kingswoods are now becoming a much sort after vehicle.& even commercials

check out facebook " HK-HT-HG appreciation society " as there is almost 1000 HK,HT,HGs on there already & growing every day

regards DD
www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au

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Originally posted by HKTG Parts Recovery
Unusual for it to be Cinnamon Brown as this was a Belmont, Kingswood, Monaro colour. That paint code is definitely Cinnamon Brown though. Also your roof colour (TOP) is Sudan Beige, an off white which was available on the above models. Interesting colour combo. Possibly done for a fleet?

All Premiers were available in metallic paint excluding Kashmir White and Warrigal Black. Goes to show people could order what they wanted. My 5/71 Melbourne built HG Premier is painted in Plumdinger purple.

I dont believe there are records of a breakdown on how many manual V8 prems were made or done in that colour etc.

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as i suggested to '71prem' to post his querries on this forum (to maybe help dig up some info) the only figures on V8s is the number registered each year from holden (whether it be 308 or 253 doesnt sepperate)the only categories is ute, van, wagon, etc. nothing at all on manual or auto, or colour etc. that never came in till 1972

any other info available should be shared on this forum,as we all want to learn more about the best, & most optional vehicle ever made!!!

regards DD
www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au

I don't disagree. But I stand by my comment that no-one will bother couting build record numbers (if they ever surface) to record how many 253 3spd HG Premiers were made.

Appreciate the responces to this topic and concur with Simon, Dave and Dr.Terry.
We all tend to focus our attention on the "Legends of the Race Track" and forget about the average daily drive that was the norm of the day.
I also have a 71 LC XU1 and dearly love it as I do the HG Prem and appreciate both for what they are.
These guy's are right in what they say, we need to preserve what little is left out there.
I also agree that it is time to see other cars at shows other than the standard Aussie Muscle Car that is all too common today.
My intent is to keep this vehicle in as original condition as possible and preserve a little bit of "Aussie" history.

How about we enjoy them all 2 door 4 door or even no doors and not let this thread develop into a us and them or this is better than that. Keep them all on the road....Jack

valid points all.
but i can't recall the last Brougham i saw at a show, let alone on the road. i live in the sticks 85km west of brisbane, the servo 1200m away from me has a warwick yellow 307 hk out the front most days. as much as i like to look at monaros i also prefer the oddballs.
the statement i would like to make is that Broughams are rarer than monaros, and always will be. and for me, more desirable. if you are on the road on any sunday you see monaros of all models but what about the cars that donated running gear to complete these restorations? THEY are the ones i want to see.

my two cents anyway

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Originally posted by satanic customs
but i can't recall the last Brougham i saw at a show, let alone on the road.

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Can you believe that at a show 'n' shine I attended near Liverpool last April there were 3 Broughams, one of each model series. The HK in particular was a stunner, the other two were everyday cars but they were still quite good & original.

I was a bit like you where I couldn't remember the last time I actually sighted a Brougham live & then along comes this show. They are still out there.

Dr Terry