I do have to note that Dr Terry even mentions in his 50 years of Holden the "Bathurst bound Monaro 327". I think its a name you are stuck with, like it or not.

the same applies to the option 97 XC's i suppose, every one calls them bathurst specials

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Originally posted by Dr Terry
I'm with Warren on this one. I don't recall having heard the term 'Bathurst Monaro' until the late 1970s.

An interesting addition to this discussion would be, the late HK GTS 327 with the type 2 (less powerful) engine, do you still call these 'Bathurst Monaros' even though they were not actually raced at Bathurst.

The same question could be posed for the HG GTS 350, did these ever race at Bathurst & therefore should you call those 'Bathurst Monaros'.

I seem to remember a GTR (non-XU1) racing at Bathurst in 1971 or 72. Could you then call those models Bathurst Toranas

The XY GT (non-HO) raced by Barry Sharp in 1971 ?? Is that a Bathurst Falcon. I could go on, but.......

Dr Terry.

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haha. i think its prob just the ford nuts whingin that no fords were ever called bathurst fords!!!
GTS 327s were nick named "bathurst" coz they won. period!!

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ok davo if we work on your theory that means all the cars below since 1963 are BATHURST cars because they won hey.....


1963 Cortina Mk.I GT

1964 Cortina Mk.I GT

1965 Cortina Mk.I GT500

1966 Cooper S

1967 XR Falcon GT

1968 HK Monaro GTS327

1969 HT Monaro GTS350

1970 XW GTHO Phase 2

1971 XY Falcon GTHO 3

1972 LJ Torana GTR XU-1

1973 XA Falcon GT

1974 XA Falcon GT

1975 LH Torana L34

1976 LH Torana L34

1977 Ford XC

1978 LX Torana A9X SS

1979 LX Torana A9X SS

1980 VC Commodore

1981 Ford XD

1982 VH Commodore

1983 VH Commodore

1984 VK Commodore

1985 Jaguar XJ-S

1986 VK Commodore SS Group A

1987 VL Commodore SS Group A

1988 Sierra RS500

1989 Sierra RS500

1990 SS Group A SV

1991 Skyline BNR32 GT-R

1992 Skyline BNR32 GT-R

1993 VP Commodore

1994 Ford EB

1995 VR Commodore

1996 VR Commodore

1997 BMW 320i

1997 VS Commodore

1998 EL Falcon

1999 VT Commodore

2000 VT Commodore

2001 VX Commodore

2002 VX Commodore

2003 VY Commodore

2004 VY Commodore

2005 VZ Commodore

2006 BA Falcon

2007 BF Falcon

2008 BF Falcon

2009 VE Commodore

2010 VE Commodore

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Originally posted by Dr Terry
If you list the 1997 BMW 320i from 1997 you have include the Volvo S40 from 1998 for the same reason.

Dr Terry

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yep it seems if it raced at bathurst its a bathurst so we have a bathurst volvo s40 and a bathurst jag xjs oh nearly forgot the bathurst mini cooper s....

seriously though dr terry you get what im saying....

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Originally posted by Dr Terry
I get what you're saying & it bugs me a bit too, but to quote dirty davo:-

"GTS 327s were nick named "bathurst" coz they won. period!!"

Dr Terry

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yep dr terry the nick name is a fact.... actual reality is a myth....

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You're splitting hairs now though. Did'nt a Monaro 427 also win a race at Bathurst. ?
Jack

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jack im talking about the hk gts 327 my above winners cars is an example "CASE NOW CLOSED"

It cannot be the name given to them because they won, as the HQ GTS 350 is also often referred to as a Bathurst Monaro. The HG also uses this term. Therefore I see the term applying to the fact that Holden made them to race at Bathurst, with special bits to make them compete.

As Terry said, there were many class cars that were "special" to race at Bathurst, because until 1967 outright was not considered to be the only outcome, many class entries stayed on and advertised for many years later. The Corrollas were one particular model that prided itself on how well it went in its class at Bathurst.

I like more how all the parts associated with these cars also get the Bathurst tag, even though there are only a small number of parts that are unique to the HK to HG 81837 models.

You see seats, dash, tacho, guards etc advertised as if they are unique to the "Bathurst" model, when they are not.

Warren

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Warren'
Quite rare then,because there ain't a Bathurst Model of anything.

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it's all NOS rare nasco bathust brock model GTS stuff gota be wurth a mint cuz me m8 said so, so did da bloke down da road!!

I reckon the simple fact is holden were building cars to be competitive on the race track from the S4 and the main race they were aiming to win was at Bathurst. Touring car championships no doubt were the cream. If it wasnt for this drive to win on Sunday, sell on Monday they would not have even bothered with a 2 door Monaro. The same goes for the other manufacturers of the time. In reality the market for 2 door cars in Australia was miniscule and you are lucky they built them at all. You can thank the race track at Bathurst firstly, and to nit pick because the "plebs" call them by an unofficial title is just a way to distance yourselves from the "uniformed".
When it all boils down, its the cars that are interesting, not the people that own them.

What about the poor guys who live in Bathurst and own a Monaro? Are they Bathurst Monaro's?