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The problem Les is that attitude of Rare Spare's head office nowadays is one of arrogance and indignation. They have forgotten that we are all in this game together.
I think the decision should be reversed before it creates more problems.
You wouldnt want a petition started at the NSW All Holden Day next weekend?
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Some very interesting emotions surfacing here. But most I guess just want to enjoy this hobby. I wonder if the ACCC would be interested in any of this though ?. Just a few considerations. Monopoly, retails sales maintenance, predatory trading.
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I cannot reverse anything as it is not our Logo but GMH's as I said before.
GMH are not trying to stop people from making repro parts what they are doing is protecting their logo , name and intellectual property the same as Ford , HSV, HDT and any of other car manufactures. This is nothing new they the motor companies have been doing it for many years, possibly from inception.
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Les I think you are missing the point. I do respect you as a MD, BTW.
GMH has made a contractual arrangement with RS. The problem in the past is that RS quality has not been 100% perfect and/or its product availability has left a lot to be desired.
In steps the small supplier, to supplement the market, to fill the gap, where RS hasnt supplied the product in time or to a perfect quality. In this instance, we have Jason with his small time business.
I think you should arrange a meeting with GMH, Jason and RS to achieve a compromise. I dont want to sound a pessimist but this will have ramifications for other small time businesses that fill the void in the Holden/Ford etc car restoration game.
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I forgot to add that I mean no disrespect to Jason with my comments either.
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It would seem that many wish to blame Rare Spares for this, however you may find what Les is saying is right.
A few years ago Holden made companies change their names, ie remove Holden from their name. Some of these companies, mainly wreckers, are still around today but with slightly different names. I think Holdent is one of them.
GM holds its copyright very closely, and every now and then they get off their arse and do something about it. We were lucky when we wrote our book, someone told us we needed GMH permission to print so we asked, and got it.
The lesson here is, if you wish to reproduce something with a Holden name or part number on it, you need to ask first. Holden are within their legal right to do what they have done, weather they should have a moral obligation to restorers of their cars and those Jason employed to produce these is another question.
One solution, as pointed out here, could be for Rare Spares to contract Jason to supply stickers. I am led to beleive that the quality of the stickers Jason has produced are AAA, therefore would be of interest to Rare Spares. The down side to this is there are probably others in the same boat as Jason, and Rare Spares may not wish to be invovled with all of these people.
It would be great if a compromise could be reached, where full reproduction parts could be manufactured, to the standard that some restorers want, ie part numbers and logos. This may require samples sent to GMH, prior to manufacture, for approval. (We sent a full manuscript to the legal department before the print button was pushed)
As for Monaro muscle parts closing at the same time, this may have simply been a coincidence, as much of Jame's work was refurbishing and importing of correct parts. The reproduction stuff that I checked did not have logo or part number.
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Reading between the lines it does look like RS has instigated this in their role as defacto GMH IP police, but don't want to admit to it.
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It would seem that many wish to blame Rare Spares for this, however you may find what Les is saying is right.
A few years ago Holden made companies change their names, ie remove Holden from their name. Some of these companies, mainly wreckers, are still around today but with slightly different names. I think Holdent is one of them.
GM holds its copyright very closely, and every now and then they get off their arse and do something about it. We were lucky when we wrote our book, someone told us we needed GMH permission to print so we asked, and got it.
The lesson here is, if you wish to reproduce something with a Holden name or part number on it, you need to ask first. Holden are within their legal right to do what they have done, weather they should have a moral obligation to restorers of their cars and those Jason employed to produce these is another question.
One solution, as pointed out here, could be for Rare Spares to contract Jason to supply stickers. I am led to beleive that the quality of the stickers Jason has produced are AAA, therefore would be of interest to Rare Spares. The down side to this is there are probably others in the same boat as Jason, and Rare Spares may not wish to be invovled with all of these people.
It would be great if a compromise could be reached, where full reproduction parts could be manufactured, to the standard that some restorers want, ie part numbers and logos. This may require samples sent to GMH, prior to manufacture, for approval. (We sent a full manuscript to the legal department before the print button was pushed)
As for Monaro muscle parts closing at the same time, this may have simply been a coincidence, as much of Jame's work was refurbishing and importing of correct parts. The reproduction stuff that I checked did not have logo or part number.
Warren
rares would only offer, at most, 20% of what people want for their hard earned effort regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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all these people talking about monopoly, retail sales maintenance, anti competition etc are slightly off the track. any organisation or person has the right to protect their name . for instance if someone put a post on here using my name, which is possible as you don't have to log on to post, saying that all fords are crap, it would piss me off because i don't have that belief and would never say it. some fords are crap but so are some holdens.
if fordholden did not protect their name anyone could start making substandard stuff with that name and flogging it to unsuspecting customers therefore causing damage to the reputation and economy of that company. warren did the right thing and went through the official channels and got had no problems as far as i know. whether there was any censorship or rewrites i don't know, and will probably never know. i hope not.
the damage comes when the protection is overbearing and undue. I can buy any number of different brands of steering parts, bearings, and dozens of other things that fit my car, no one is stopping the manufacture, although i am sure they would if they could, but common sense must prevail, stopping people from rebuilding their old holdens does not do holden any good, in fact it can harm the name, how many people go to a car show and see the immaculate fj or eh etc and think gee that's a nice car, its a holden. that is good for the holden image. people think of them as durable and good value.
why do you think manufacturers build hero cars? they will never make a profit out of the sale price but it is all in the image. look at the bugatti veyron. you can buy one for a million bucks but they cost near 5 million to build. image again. even the humble monaro 2 door was a loss leader to holden.
come on rares and gmh, there must be a meeting point here somewhere where you can give some dispensation. you are all in the same game.
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On the other side of the coin, I know of an individual, who has obtained, in writing, from Holden Legal, the right to photocopy genuine Holden items, for personal use but uses an ebay pseudonym to sell these copied Holden items for private gain and supposedly doesnt declare these items to the Tax Office.
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this looks like unauthorised use of the HRT logo. If you're gonna go after one you have to go after all http://stores.ebay.com.au/lionsden-holdenparts
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fair enough, thought it was fake because lettering on this looks a half-arsed attempt somewhere between HK and HQ. GTS letters are too rounded. But if that's what they do then good luck to em http://www.ebay.com.au/i...or-Plaque-/150646478480
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I also noticed that the admin of mysandman was very quick to shut down any discussion on the matter. Is that because blocker = 4blok = ebay seller with multiple accounts that has apparently infringed GMH copyright for many years with some very fancy ads? Hmmm. Needs further investigation
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No- that was because Jason (the owner of Stickthis) requested Blocker to shut down the thread.
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I also noticed that the admin of mysandman was very quick to shut down any discussion on the matter. Is that because blocker = 4blok = ebay seller with multiple accounts that has apparently infringed GMH copyright for many years with some very fancy ads? Hmmm. Needs further investigation
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No- that was because Jason (the owner of Stickthis) requested Blocker to shut down the thread.
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Originally posted by Mr Bob Dobalina
I also noticed that the admin of mysandman was very quick to shut down any discussion on the matter. Is that because blocker = 4blok = ebay seller with multiple accounts that has apparently infringed GMH copyright for many years with some very fancy ads? Hmmm. Needs further investigation
Mr Dobalina allow me to reply with the facts on your two points. 1. I did lock the thread on mysandman.com.au because stickthis called me, concerned that the thread had got out of hand and missed the point of the discussion entirely. This is his prerogative as the OP of the thread. Normally I would not lock a thread unless it breaks our forum rules and guidelines, but stickthis asked it to be locked so that the slanging match would stop.
2. I have/had 2 eBay accounts. 1 that I have not used in a long time with the username Blocker77, the other one which I set up to tie in with my website is mysandmancomau. I am not 4block or any other user on ebay, if you think I am the same person I suggest you investigate the user accounts yourself (I have) or stop trolling. Finally. There is nothing stopping any member on the mySandman.com.au forums to raise the issue again of stickthis and his great products. I would hasten to add there is nothing stopping you in joining up our 'friendly' forums and speaking your mind on this or any other matter. Jason (stickthis) is a good friend of mine and I wish him and his family the very best, in fact I wish all of us as a community would think well for them. Hopefully instead of complaining like kids that we are hard done by because of some imagined conspiracy... maybe get off your asses and offer to buy out stickthis' business, approach GMH to reproduce quality repro decals and 'get on with it'! Sorry for the long post.. most will probably not get through it all so I'l post this instead 'cause it's awesome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13CJ77DGsBI
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ah, not you then. k thanks
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thats norty blocker, you aint allowed to have a url as an ebay username
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