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Hi guys
I bought a torana about 4 years ago in bits.
Filled out a notice of disposal and aquisition with the previous owner and off I went.
Since then the car has undergone a complete rebuild.
I took the car up to Vicroads today to transfer it into my name and put it on Club Rego.
I showed the women at Vicroads the notice of disposal and aquisition and she didnt want to see it, or care about it.
All she cared about was the club rego papers.
So I walked away with the car registered on club plates but seemingly not transferred into my name?
So my question is, is the car registered in my name but still owned by the bloke I bought it from?
I rang Vicroads 3 times after I got home, spoke to 3 different people and got 3 different stories?!
Anyone had a similar situation?
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This is the sort of situation that worried me when I bought an unreg'd car interstate, with a view to restoring it & registering it down the track.
I ended up getting it "just" good enough to pass a roady, then registered it in my name. Then I spent the time, effort & $$ restoring what I had to - knowing I had the ownership issue covered.
It's a real worry when the only "testament" to the sale is a handwritten receipt that doesn't even have the previous owner's details or signature cross-checked. How many cars could literally be stolen & easily rebirthed interstate in this manner - the only thing stopping someone is if the chassis number is reported stolen, and this info goes on the national system. |
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Is your name on the new rego papers?
Have you done a REV's check?
The clerk would only question you if her computer rejected your application.
Don't understand the bit about transferring it into your name, wasn't it a new rego?
Basically, if your name is on the new rego papers there is no cause for concern, I would have thought.
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thats why ive kept full rego even when the s***box is broken and takes a year to find enough plastic paper to repair.
I doubt any RTA across the country are in the business of making life nicer for old car owners.
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Club permit cars are not registered. They are on a permit. Parliamentarians can stand up and say with fact that cars registered in Australia are getting newer. You take out heaps of 25 plus year old cars from the registration system, and the average age gets smaller. It is about numbers for them. [img]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/ [email protected]/a866861f12e106e0ca256a38002791fa/06d0e28cd6e66b8aca2568a900139408/Body/0.703A!OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif[/img] |
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80569K - there are no rego papers, Car was registered on a club permit, VICROADS didnt even want to see disposal and aquisition form!
WRECK - if I had 1 or 2 cars id have them on full rego but when you have a whole stable full it gets very expensive and for the amount they each get driven, an absolute waste of coin!
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In Qld Club Rego is just that ,Rego. The only difference is the rego sticker and plates, if you don't have personalised plates. After having full rego for 4 years (I wanted to drive it whenever I wanted) but in the end I could not justify over $1000 a year for a car that doesn't get used too much. |
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Hmmmmm... Interestting debate this.. Frank as usual you are like Yoda. You speak gibberish but there is always much wisdom in your posts. or should i say 'much wisdom, there is...'
Anyway, so are you saying once a car has club rego its much harder to return it to normal rego? And are you also saying that you think club rego is going to get a lot tighter and non user friendy in the future?
Im heading this way soon with the sandman, and was thinking that club rego will be a lot easier than full rego simply cos ill avoid the full roadworthy where theyll pick on a million trivial things. (Oh and my cut springs...) Oh and ive lost the receipt... And i wont drive it that often...
Hmm what to do...?
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Hmmmmm... Interestting debate this.. Frank as usual you are like Yoda. You speak gibberish but there is always much wisdom in your posts. or should i say 'much wisdom, there is...'
Anyway, so are you saying once a car has club rego its much harder to return it to normal rego? And are you also saying that you think club rego is going to get a lot tighter and non user friendy in the future?
Im heading this way soon with the sandman, and was thinking that club rego will be a lot easier than full rego simply cos ill avoid the full roadworthy where theyll pick on a million trivial things. (Oh and my cut springs...) Oh and ive lost the receipt... And i wont drive it that often...
Hmm what to do...?
WTF? so technically hainzy. youre going for club rego to avoid making it properly roadworthy??
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Club permit cars are not registered. They are on a permit.
I'm not sure that is correct today with the new system. Victoria may be different, but the main reason for the introduction of the new scheme in NSW was to get rid of the old 'permit' & make it proper rego. It is now called HCRS, which means Historic Conditional Registration Scheme. There are many differences between it & normal rego, but it is still proper registration, with CTP insurance, inspections, renewals etc. etc. One of the problems with the scheme is its possible abuse, as seen from some of the above comments. An older car probably needs closer inspection in terms of 'wear & tear' safety issues or hidden rust. Given that, the inspection may not be as thorough as a full pit or blue slip inspection as carried out on a 'modern' car which would most likely have less of these problems. Dr Terry |
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Hmmmmm... Interestting debate this.. Frank as usual you are like Yoda. You speak gibberish but there is always much wisdom in your posts. or should i say 'much wisdom, there is...'
Anyway, so are you saying once a car has club rego its much harder to return it to normal rego? And are you also saying that you think club rego is going to get a lot tighter and non user friendy in the future?
Im heading this way soon with the sandman, and was thinking that club rego will be a lot easier than full rego simply cos ill avoid the full roadworthy where theyll pick on a million trivial things. (Oh and my cut springs...) Oh and ive lost the receipt... And i wont drive it that often...
Hmm what to do...?
WTF? so technically hainzy. youre going for club rego to avoid making it properly roadworthy??
Sorry davo it does read a bit bad doesnt it. Thats not how i meant it. It will still be roadworthy. Its in at the moment getting the brakes done, heater fixed and the gas complianced and everything else checked over. It also has a cracked windscreen so that will be getting replaced. It will be made roadworthy as im too old for that s##t and i have a family. What i meant was, they always find niggly little things like 'the plastic on your seatbelt winder is cracked' or something. Apart from the cut springs, which i will change back if necessary, it will be a roadworthy vehicle in all senses. I suppose i could always email the bloke I got it off to get another receipt or do a stat dec too.
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Originally posted by we wreck 81837s only
you blokes on club/sr rego are in for massive, massive shock. the rego ppl dunn car about aquisition papers etc once you've applied for that type of club rego, all they want is that you are a club member, therefore in laymans terms, car is now like a club car, special events car only, so really what you have done is lost the ability to re-register a car as per normal again(ie. original black white plates etc)VIN is noted and car can come up as an ICV.
so, you spend $50k on a resto to drive it for 90 days(for now that is) with a log book to be monitored every time you drive, but too tight to pay $650 per year to get full rego, and freedom of driving when where you want, and getting lost in the system, not monitored then nailed later on.SR = STREET ROD, pre 48, CH = CLASSIC not HQ, LX,67 camaro and mustang and all that late stuff
no brainer i'd say
I think what you say really only applies in Vic or SA. In NSW a normal rego is now around $1,000 depending on the driver's age, the type of car & where you live, while historic rego is around $60 per year. There is no log book or 90 day limit, it just needs to be a club event or a club 'sanctioned' event. The main purpose of historic rego is to allow use of older cars without clogging up peak hour traffic. In reality you could have such usage for both days of every weekend. The other difference in NSW is that the cars must be stock, there are no modifications allowed other than 'period accessories'. There is 'street rod' rego (a separate scheme again), but nothing yet for modified cars. Also, putting a car back on normal rego only requires an inspection & blue slip (similar to your roadworthy), very simple I've done several. Dr Terry |
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In Queensland club rego is for any vehicle over 30 years of age and can be used on any club event, meeting, run etc. It is rego and as Terry said covers CTP etc. Ours is just over $100 per year and if you want to go back to full rego you just fill in a form, we do not have annual RWC here.
As pointed out, you need either personalised plates, historic S plates or B&W plates.
When you want to go back to club rego you need a form from your club. I know a few that have done that with their cars, wanted to use them freely for a couple of years then back onto historic rego.
We do have the problem with people driving their cars for "normal' use whilst on club rego. The penality is driving an unregistered, uninsured car. This might be the reason why some think the car is not registered. (But as it is conditional registration and you are driving outside the conditions is why this fine is implimented)
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Well Foresight "you blokes on club/sr rego are in for massive, massive shock." You'll be giving out Saturday's Lotto numbers next Edited by user Thursday, 17 November 2011 6:05:21 AM(UTC)
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Hainzy - quick tip, to get a club permit you need a roadworthy certificate - so you wont be avoiding a full roadworthy!
Frank - the lotto numbers are 81837 and the sups are 69 and L 31. Ohh and it might be a no brainer for you, but if the powers that be want to take old cars off the road, they will! No matter if they are on club reg or not!
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if you think you will get away with a less careful inspection you might be in for a shock. most clubs are thoroughly pissed off with people just joining to get cheap rego and less inspection, and are likely to be even stricter than your average inspector. they will want the decal on aircleaner to be the right colour and have the lions tail pointing the right way for that model.
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Hainzy - quick tip, to get a club permit you need a roadworthy certificate - so you wont be avoiding a full roadworthy!
Thanks mate. I didnt realise that. I thought it just had to be scrutineered by a club official. Again im not trying to get away with a dodgey rustbucket and ruin things for people. Just hoping to get away with cut springs really, But i guess i might have to replace them then.
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I was told not so long ago about an FC that was at a car show on club rego down on the south coast of nsw,well it has old skool chromies worked grey motor SU's bucket seats a lot of chrome in the engine bay. A couple of weeks ago I seen it on Rodders Life,I have to agree it is a nice car,it looks like a stock FC body wise so why is his club registrar allowing this and it is a nsw car. Regards Tony. Edited by user Thursday, 17 November 2011 8:30:59 PM(UTC)
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I was told not so long ago about an FC that was at a car show on club rego down on the south coast of nsw,well it has old skool chromies worked grey motor SU's bucket seats a lot of chrome in the engine bay.
A couple of weeks ago I seen it on Rodders Life,I have to agree it is a nice car,it looks like a stock FC body wise so why is his club registrar allowing this and it is a nsw car.
Regards Tony.
This problem often occurs. The simple fact is the club registrar should not be allowing it. The RTA wording is "Vehicles must be as close to original condition as possible, with NO alterations except for safety features". I've seen mentioned that "period accessories" are allowed. How that is interpreted would be up to the individual club or registrar. It's a bit of a grey area. One thing is certain, that any modifications that require engineering would not be acceptable & likewise any illegal modifications. Things like bucket seats, overly wide wheels, mini-tubs, non-original engines or gearboxes would not be allowed. Same thing with paint colours, if the car has had a re-spray, it should be 'of the era'. An FJ painted metal-flake purple & lowered to the bump-stops with 8" rims, wouldn't be in the right spirit, would it ? In my mind, I think if the car looks the part, then it's OK. So what, if the diff ratio has been changed or it has a 202 motor instead of a 149. If the car looks original (paint, trim, underbonnet, wheels, suspension height etc.) then it should be allowed. Even things like some additional chrome-work, this would probably fall into the 'period accessory' category. Dr Terry. |
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I was told not so long ago about an FC that was at a car show on club rego down on the south coast of nsw,well it has old skool chromies worked grey motor SU's bucket seats a lot of chrome in the engine bay.
A couple of weeks ago I seen it on Rodders Life,I have to agree it is a nice car,it looks like a stock FC body wise so why is his club registrar allowing this and it is a nsw car.
Regards Tony.
This is one of the reasons wewreak81837 holds his beliefs in regards to club rego. Why would the RTA leave it to the club to police club rego? So that down the road when club rego comes to an end, they can murmur, we left it to you to do the checks and balances as you knew the rules and you didn't comply. Now no one has it. Knowing how Gov. Ministers are advised, this can be a reality. My HQ GTS is pretty much stock, but I still pay full rego as I don't want any surprises down the road.
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