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I've never looked closely at the heater hose routing on the HQ-engined HG (they had different inlet manifold & lower thermostat housing), but check it out.
Does anybody else here know if that one is correct.
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I saw original GMH drawings for this today, and it is defintely different in a few areas to 161/186. Cool. |
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My neighbour has a light green HG Belmont van that has sat rusting in his backyard for over 20yrs. Same old story, he says he will get going again some day. It is a factory 253 V8 4 Speed Saginaw with correct factory pressed floor to match. Very straight but rear floors need a fair amount of rust work. Still restorable but is it rare enough to bother with?
Greetings, A V8 HG van is a rare car so one with a Saginaw is going to be a very rare car indeed and it will have bucket seats which very few vans ever got. You should get the details from the id plates for the numbers collectors here just like above. The colour will most likely be Cascade Green. |
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My neighbour has a light green HG Belmont van that has sat rusting in his backyard for over 20yrs. Same old story, he says he will get going again some day. It is a factory 253 V8 4 Speed Saginaw with correct factory pressed floor to match. Very straight but rear floors need a fair amount of rust work. Still restorable but is it rare enough to bother with?
Greetings, A V8 HG van is a rare car so one with a Saginaw is going to be a very rare car indeed and it will have bucket seats which very few vans ever got. You should get the details from the id plates for the numbers collectors here just like above. The colour will most likely be Cascade Green.
I will get I.D numbers and put up here. It has black trim, buckets and console. Its a light green duco. |
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I'm with HK1837, the number will be higher than you think.
If we assume that ute/van production fitted with 173/202 was around 3 months (could have been more), this equates to 1/4 of a year's production. In those days, the number of utes & vans sold was high, around 10,000 vans & 25,000 utes per year as an estimate. That would mean around 2,500 vans & 6,000 utes would have been built with the newer engines.
Any comments or further 'guestimates' ??
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well heres 2 vans in these posts high 25000 numbers. so i guess there woulda been approx 26000 HG panelvans regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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I'm with HK1837, the number will be higher than you think.
If we assume that ute/van production fitted with 173/202 was around 3 months (could have been more), this equates to 1/4 of a year's production. In those days, the number of utes & vans sold was high, around 10,000 vans & 25,000 utes per year as an estimate. That would mean around 2,500 vans & 6,000 utes would have been built with the newer engines.
Any comments or further 'guestimates' ??
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well heres 2 vans in these posts high 25000 numbers. so i guess there woulda been approx 26000 HG panelvans
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HG VEHICLES 12 MONTHS ACTUAL PRODUCTION JULY '70 - JUNE '71 JUNE '69 - MAY '70 (unfortunately no records of after) belmont 6cyl van 7,064 6,900 belmont V8 van 387 142 belmont 6cyl ute 12,509 13,191 belmont V8 ute 321 193 kingswood 6cyl ute 2,286 2,978 kingswood V8 ute 624 410 unfortunately these done distinguish between 253 & 308# or auto against manual i have numbers of other HT/G body styles ( & HK somewhere) also but wont flood this 'van' section regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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Greetings Davo,
Very impressive figures you posted. Way less than suggested by others. Off topic I know, but would you have the HG Brougham totals at all? They were only built from July through April.
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I have the folowing van rgistration figures for 1968 and 1969.
So 1968 would include HR and 1969 would be HK and HT
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161 186 307
Van 4088 1732 31
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161 186 253 307 308
Van 4378 1624 49 15 8
These are onoly rego figures, not manufacturing. Some commercial vehicles are never registered if used exclusivly on private property, ie mine site. Also does not cover export.
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I am now in possession of an 80270 HT panel van. Factory fitted with 253 and Saginaw 4 speed, bucket seats, and sports (GTS) dash. It is Body No.:15A. It is Pharoah Gold with Red interior. It has no console and a banjo diff. |
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Nice van Simon. Great colour combo as well. |
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Thanks Byron. Can anyone please, if you have seen one in the flesh, tell me what the shift stick looks like in a HT HG Commercial. It has a unique part number 2806281. I am wanting to know if it was chrome, black or just plain or was it longer? I know in the Engineering drawings it looks similiar to the stick that would of been available if you were to option Saginaw four speed in a Kingswood. Also the shift boot 7430248. Need a photo for reference. I solved one piece of the puzzle, bucket seats in a panel van HK HT HG did have the cargo board on the back. Edited by user Saturday, 27 October 2012 2:58:59 AM(UTC)
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My neighbour has a HG van, factory 253 saginaw, but it was fitted with a full length console. Looks as per Monaro. Also has the backing boards on the back of the bucket seats. |
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Console will have been a dealer fitment or fitted afterwards. You couldn't get a console shift in a commercial, right up until Sandman in 1974 and then only in Sandman until HX release. |
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It was fitted from new with 253, saginaw 4 speed, black trim, bucket seats, console, GTS dash and black sidewinder stripes and those old 4 spokes mags. It is that light green colour, still original paint. He bought it in 1976/7 and believes it was GMH show car when new. I have referred to this car in another thread and it is slowly decaying away in his back yard. Another one of those fellas who reckons he will restore it some day. Was a nice looking car back in the 70's 80's. |
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Console will have been dealer fitted, probably the stripes too as well as the mags. If it was a show car then it still won't have got the console in the assembly plant, it most likely was done elsewhere within GMH. |
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Thanks Byron. Can anyone please, if you have seen one in the flesh, tell me what the shift stick looks like in a HT HG Commercial. It has a unique part number 2806281. I am wanting to know if it was chrome, black or just plain or was it longer? I know in the Engineering drawings it looks similiar to the stick that would of been available if you were to option Saginaw four speed in a Kingswood.
Also the shift boot 7430248. Need a photo for reference.
I solved one piece of the puzzle, bucket seats in a panel van HK HT HG did have the cargo board on the back.
Simon, did you received the pics I e-mailed to you on Saturday ? This car is an original one-owner HG Kingswood ute with a non-console Saginaw floor shift. I still cannot answer what is different about the stick. It doesn't really look any longer, or sit at a different angle. It is chrome-plated & has a black knob with the shift pattern on it. I suppose you could only tell if you sat a GTS stick along aside it. Dr Terry |
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I've got two loose non HK GTS sticks in the shed, plus an original HG Kingswood sedan console shift setup. I'll compare the sticks to see if the loose ones are different. |
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Hi I've got a HG panel van How can I tell if it is a factory 253? Edit- ok I see that it's an 80170(6 cyl) now Paint code is 568 0036 , any one know what this is It's stamped 10/71 so must be one of the last hg's made Edited by user Friday, 22 September 2017 12:06:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 307chev  Hi
I've got a HG panel van
How can I tell if it is a factory 253?
Edit- ok I see that it's an 80170(6 cyl) now
Paint code is 568 0036 , any one know what this is
It's stamped 10/71 so must be one of the last hg's made 568 0036 is Hawthorn Green, which is a fleet colour. Also, given that the HQ commercial range was announced on 22-Nov-71, for a December release, production must have begun in October. HK1387, do you have a date for the last HG commercial built ? Dr Terry Edited by user Friday, 22 September 2017 2:26:40 PM(UTC)
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