I'm not sure about this one. The Commodore has almost ceased to be a nameplate & become more of a brand for the whole range.

In the same way as in the early years, the car was called a Holden & the model was a Special or Premier or whatever. Currently the car is a Commodore but the model is an Omega or Berlina or whatever. If you check out the current cars the nameplate 'Commodore' is absent.

Without getting too pedantic, an EH Special was a model of Holden made by a company called GM-H, but a VE Omega is a model of Commodore made by a company called GM Holden.

Have we opened a can of worms ?

Dr Terry

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Originally posted by HK1837
Are the Calais and Berlina a Commodore? AFAIK the utes aren't yet they carry the same luxury levels. The Monaros weren't Commodores, and my Cross8 wasn't. I thought Commodore only applied to the Omega, SV6 and SS passenger vehicles, the Utes are Holden Omega, Holden SV6 and Holden SS/SSV etc. Calais and Berlina are Holden Calais and Holden Berlina?

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This has all varied from model series to model series. I don't think I've ever seen a Commodore badge on a Calais, but some series of Berlina were badged as Commodore Berlina. The utes as well, some series were badged as Commodore utes while some have no Commodore badges.

As I said, even the current Omega sedan does not wear a Commodore badge.

It seems what they are named & what they are badged can differ markedly.

Dr Terry

Warren, I think VG-VSIII utes (at least the S) were badged as Commodore, but VU-VE aren't. Yet the VSIII sales brochure for the ute does not mention Commodore anywhere - just called them ute and S ute. I also have a colour chart for when I bought my VSIII. It says Holden Commodore, Calais and Ute (for VTII and VSIII).

Also noticed colour chart A632 on the back. Refers to all T, U, V and W sized vehicles. It calls them by the names we all know ie Gemini, Sunbird, Torana and Holden. Except it has Holden Commodore against the V sized vehicles. So Commodore at VB time was meant to be a range of vehicles, but they were regarded as a Holden like the HZ series was, just a smaller Holden?

JUL71-OCT74 Your question will be answered in late 2016 ;-)

Looks like a commodore, it is a commodore. Unless they change the actual sheet metal then the only difference is options/standard features. They do need to kill the entire range off and start again though.

As I said, looks ,is as far as the general public is concerned. Peter Brock tried to distance himself from the name plate with body kits, but they will always be "Brock Commodores".
Which when you think about it, its a name plate that really belongs to another time, not 2012. Time to start building what the public actually want in mass, quality smaller cars.

What people think doesn't make it correct though. There is no way a V2 or VZ Monaro is a Commodore.

There are people out there who refer to all HQ-HZ as Kingswoods, and that is just as correct as calling all VB-VE Commodores. Both are just about equally wrong in the balance of things!

The marketing guru's will ring the changes when it suits them, hence the current invisible Falcon model names, inspiring... NOT!!!

The Falcon name is the only constant and it's lasted for over 50 years, looks like the Commodore name will bow out around the same time as the Falcon the way things are going.

The FG/FG update still wears a Falcon badge on the boot of the XT & XR6 models.
It's only the G6 name (replaced Futura/Fairmont) and G6E (replaced Fairmont Ghia) that are new, and displace the Falcon script badge on the boot.

The Holden name on base models (utes in the Commodore range) does seem to have come & gone depending on the model, with no real rhyme or reason for the changes.

And while some VEs wear a trim-level nameplate only (Berlina, Calais etc) quite a lot of VE series 1s still have the Commodore badge on the boot including the Omega, SV6, SS and at least one of the specials - the Commodore V early in the VE series (an up-specc'd Omega). It's only the early SS-V (with the separate V badge), Berlina, Calais & Calais V that don't have the Commodore badge.

Is a VY Crewman a commodore? Is a VY Tonner a Commodore? What about an Adventra? The V2-VZ Monaro is more commodore under the skin (rear floorpan, suspension, driveline etc) than either of those 2 commercials!

If it's spawned from a Commodore, then Joe Average sees it as a Commodore, and badging simply becomes a matter of symantecs.

You're missing the point Byron. We can discuss trim & model codes all day long, but we are only a small minority of the general population.
As I said "If it's spawned from a Commodore, then Joe Average sees it as a Commodore, and badging simply becomes a matter of symantecs."

It's these members of the general public, the majority, who actually don't care about luxury level codes, and who call anything that looks like a Commodore, a Commodore, including HSVs, Monaros, utes etc, that the marketing gurus target. They need to sell as many cars as possible to the entire population spread of Joe Averages - irrespective of their knowledge level about the model. The enthusiasts such as those of us on this board, are simply too few in number to support a local car industry on our own!