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Hi can any body help me with the trim code on my hg brougham its 1803-18L I cant find what the L stands for
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Greetings, This car you refer to is a Melbourne build? Some Melbourne Broughams are known with the 18L trim code which does not exist as a trim. 18M is cloth Sandalwood and 18N is the XT8 variation with all vinyl and matching door trims. No 18L in there. 14 has an L trim code for the blue cloth. |
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As above, HG order procedure makes no mention of 18L. It really has to have 18 trim as Burnished Bronze (1803) was only available with Sandlewood (18) trim, so it can't really be meant to be 14L. My guess is it is a mistake - does it have vinyl or cloth inserts? When was it built? Colour and trim options became very restricted in late HG like many of the options - for example from 19/2/71 you could no longer order through the Victorian zone: 10N or 14L on reclining buckets on a Brougham. From 26/3/71 you could only order Brougham through the Victorian Zone with Bench seat and 10M, 14L, 18M, 18N. |
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As above, HG order procedure makes no mention of 18L. It really has to have 18 trim as Burnished Bronze (1803) was only available with Sandlewood (18) trim, so it can't really be meant to be 14L. My guess is it is a mistake - does it have vinyl or cloth inserts? When was it built? Colour and trim options became very restricted in late HG like many of the options - for example from 19/2/71 you could no longer order through the Victorian zone: 10N or 14L on reclining buckets on a Brougham. From 26/3/71 you could only order Brougham through the Victorian Zone with Bench seat and 10M, 14L, 18M, 18N.
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My HG Brougham 10/70
Model HG81469
Body 164-A
Trim 1803-18L
Paint 567-12185
my query is the "L" on the trim?? as it is missing a front seat but back seat currently a brouquet cloth seat? I assume it needs a bench bucket seat for the front as ID states it seats 6.
Have also noticed that there appears to be two types of seats they had, some seats are taller/higher than others - not sure?
Has anyone got a front seat for sale that will suit?
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Originally posted by deadfreddy
My HG Brougham 10/70
Model HG81469
Body 164-A
Trim 1803-18L
Paint 567-12185
my query is the "L" on the trim?? as it is missing a front seat but back seat currently a brouquet cloth seat? I assume it needs a bench bucket seat for the front as ID states it seats 6.
Have also noticed that there appears to be two types of seats they had, some seats are taller/higher than others - not sure?
Has anyone got a front seat for sale that will suit?
Thanks
all HT brougham only seats are high back
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Originally posted by deadfreddy
My HG Brougham 10/70
Model HG81469
Body 164-A
Trim 1803-18L
Paint 567-12185
my query is the "L" on the trim?? as it is missing a front seat but back seat currently a brouquet cloth seat? I assume it needs a bench bucket seat for the front as ID states it seats 6.
Have also noticed that there appears to be two types of seats they had, some seats are taller/higher than others - not sure?
Has anyone got a front seat for sale that will suit?
Thanks
Greetings, You can see by the number that Adelaide didn't make many HGs. And this one has the mysterious 18L code like some Melbourne cars too! Love to know what is going on there. Bucket seats in HG Brougham are not very common so the front seat should be more obtainable but still very rare in good condition. I'm sorry I can't help out with one though. |
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I believe 18L is Sandalwood & Black, in similar style to the HK 18Y Parchment & Black combination.
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18M is cloth Sandalwood and 18N is the XT8 variation with all vinyl and matching door trims. No 18L in there. 14 has an L trim code for the blue cloth.
I have not seen XT8 used in that context before. So you're saying that option XT8 is for all vinyl (delete cloth) on Brougham models ? Also what is 14L trim, how does it differ from 14M/14N ? Could it be a Twilight Blue & Black combo ? Dr Terry |
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Thanks for the feedback so far the back seat and door trims are the bone-cream color and are you saying mine is a adelaide car
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18M is cloth, 18N is vinyl. Order procedure makes no mention of XT8 but I have seen that code somewhere, not sure where? I don't think it is a delete option as order procedure lets you choose the colour combination and trim colour and type (vinyl or vinyl/cloth). 14L is the blue equivalent of 10M and 18M, there is no 14M. Not sure why, must have been something different either with the cloth or the carpet or other colours inside eg came with neutral headlining or something like that. |
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I believe 18L is Sandalwood & Black, in similar style to the HK 18Y Parchment & Black combination.
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never ever seen 2 coloured trim in any brougham terry.
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I don't think it means 2 coloured trim as such. I think it means a combination of Sandalwood seats, headlining etc. with black carpet.
If not, what is meant by 14L, 18L etc. ?
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Terry, chased it up. XT8 is as git states. It is not an order code that you used on the order sheet, but it was the system's method of deleting cloth from the door trims on HT and HG Brougham when N trim was ordered. It would appear on the broadcast sheet where codes like A22 etc would appear.
As a first step to finding what 18L is, perhaps if a photo of 14L trim can be found to find out what is different from 10M and 18M to make it have a different code. A different cloth is my guess.
Did some more looking, HG parts catalogue has 10, 14 and 18 M and N trims. BUT, HT parts catalogue revision August 197? (I think it is 8/72) has 18L and it appears to have has been added (does someone have a HG parts catalogue amendment?). 18L has a different suffix code of BZ to the BG of 18M/N for seats and door trims. So putting 2 and 2 together and hopefully getting 4, my guess is HT trim (same as HK Brocade?) continued into HG, but at some stage after the order procedure was printed 18L replaced 18M with the newer material. It would appear 14L was available at time of printing. Doesn't explain though why 14L isn't in the amended HT parts catalogue.....More research needed. |
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18M is cloth Sandalwood and 18N is the XT8 variation with all vinyl and matching door trims. No 18L in there. 14 has an L trim code for the blue cloth.
I have not seen XT8 used in that context before. So you're saying that option XT8 is for all vinyl (delete cloth) on Brougham models ?
Also what is 14L trim, how does it differ from 14M/14N ? Could it be a Twilight Blue & Black combo ?
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Greetings Dr Terry, Welcome to the Twilight Zone. I'll get to the 14 trims in a second. XT8 only appears on Broadcast sheets of Broughams with vinyl trim. As cloth seats were a standard feature with matching door trims, XT8 was the code to remove the cloth from the door trims. It first appears in HT Brougham. No mention of it in the Features Book though but mention is made of the option of an all vinyl interior. The 14 trims are illogical in the way the work. Nobody has mentioned the 14K trim yet so I'm guessing that nobody has ever come across this one. I haven't. 14K and 14M share door trims as do 14L and 14N. But 14K and 14N share the same seats (vinyl) with 14L and 14M together. Blue interiors are so rare it is hard to know what is going on. I like your thought on 18L however I have not seen a Brougham with different colours inside. They are always one tone, either black, blue and the ivory or Sandalwood. Very strange stuff. |
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I believe 18L is Sandalwood & Black, in similar style to the HK 18Y Parchment & Black combination.
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never ever seen 2 coloured trim in any brougham terry.
Greetings, I'm with you on this one. Broughams are my interest and I have never seen one yet like that in a lot of years of looking. |
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18M is cloth Sandalwood and 18N is the XT8 variation with all vinyl and matching door trims. No 18L in there. 14 has an L trim code for the blue cloth.
I have not seen XT8 used in that context before. So you're saying that option XT8 is for all vinyl (delete cloth) on Brougham models ?
Also what is 14L trim, how does it differ from 14M/14N ? Could it be a Twilight Blue & Black combo ?
Dr Terry
Greetings Dr Terry, Welcome to the Twilight Zone. I'll get to the 14 trims in a second. XT8 only appears on Broadcast sheets of Broughams with vinyl trim. As cloth seats were a standard feature with matching door trims, XT8 was the code to remove the cloth from the door trims. It first appears in HT Brougham. No mention of it in the Features Book though but mention is made of the option of an all vinyl interior.
The 14 trims are illogical in the way the work. Nobody has mentioned the 14K trim yet so I'm guessing that nobody has ever come across this one. I haven't. 14K and 14M share door trims as do 14L and 14N. But 14K and 14N share the same seats (vinyl) with 14L and 14M together. Blue interiors are so rare it is hard to know what is going on.
I like your thought on 18L however I have not seen a Brougham with different colours inside. They are always one tone, either black, blue and the ivory or Sandalwood. Very strange stuff.
Funny, I was just discussing 14K trims when I saw your post. By the 4 x trims ie 14K, L, M and N and the HG parts catalogue amendments groupings there must have been a variety fo cloth and vinyl combos, or something changed in either cloth or vinyl specifications that forced the change. Notice how there is no mention of 18L anywhere in HG but it is in the HT parts catalogue? Do you have a HT or HG features manual? Rare beast - i've never seen one! |
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I believe 18L is Sandalwood & Black, in similar style to the HK 18Y Parchment & Black combination.
Dr Terry
never ever seen 2 coloured trim in any brougham terry.
Greetings, I'm with you on this one. Broughams are my interest and I have never seen one yet like that in a lot of years of looking.
I have always had a soft spot for Broughams & remember them well when they were new. At my first job after leaving school, a guy there (one of the managers) had a virtually brand new HT Brougham which he purchased as a superseded car, after HG release. One feature of his car that I remember well was that he had factory black carpet in a beige interior, instead of the regular beige carpet. (I didn't know anything about trim codes & names back then). When I started learning about the various codes I thought his car was an 18L trim. I don't know (or can't remember) whether it had cloth or all-vinyl door trims, but I do remember the black carpet, because it stayed a lot cleaner than if it was beige. One other question, Mr git: Did all Broughams get the Brocade (or Bavere in HG) mandatory cloth seat trim, or were vinyl seat trims available as a delete option ? Dr Terry |
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Terry, that is what git was talking about with XT8 - if you ordered 10N, 18N or 14N trim it was all vinyl seats, and the XT8 bit was to delete it off the door trims too. Here is 18N: http://gallery.oldholden...G+Brougham+18N+rear.JPG
HT catalogue that lists 18L (with 18N and M) lists the same carpet for all 3 x trim codes. It'd be interesting to see if this is the same for all of the 4 x 14 trims in the later HG amendment). |
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