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#1 Posted : Thursday, 7 February 2013 8:33:41 AM(UTC)
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the Vr had a leaky steering pump when I bought it that's one reason I got it cheap.
anyway I got a supposedly new pump off a guy who no longer needed it.
still leaked, closer inspection revealed was seeping from behind the hose clip on the high pressure hose. New hose fixed that. For several months went ok then started leaking again.
when I replaced the reservoir I did not notice any oil seal O ring so assumed there was not one as the tank seemed tight.
anyway rang the local dealer, the parts guy says yes there should be an O ring there and it would cost around $12.
This seemed a bit pricy for about a 15mm O ring so I went to my plumbers tool kit and found one in there fitted perfectly.
When In removed the tank I found the original ring in the bottom of the filler neck, obviously when I put the tank back the ring had got dislodged and then pushed down the bottom of the filler neck. fished it out now not a drop leaks after a month or so.
shows 2 things....replace the O ring I must have lost about $20 worth of fluid filling it up every 3 or 4 days.
....secondly Holden genuine prices are not the bargain that Holden built its reputation on, of cheap and readily available parts.
I would imagine the O ring would cost about 40 cents from Bearing Service Co.
And before you ask, it is a neoprene one so oil wont affect it.

Edited by user Saturday, 9 February 2013 6:06:41 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2 Posted : Thursday, 7 February 2013 9:28:27 AM(UTC)
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One of the issues you face is these parts are often a strange size (non-industry standard), or they have some obscure exotic coating on them based on a GM North America spec.
When they are supplied for OEM production, they probably cost GM-H 20c each to buy, and the supplier moves 4000 per month.

End of production - O-ring becomes obsolete. All of a sudden GM-H doesn't have the buying power. The cost to process 4000 O-rings is not much more than processing 200 O-rings - it's nearly all a mechanised production system, so suddenly they're only buying 1/20th of what they used to buy, for a similar production labour & shipping cost, and in theory, that 20c O-ring has to multiply by 20x to cover costs, so it now becomes $4. HSPO add their profit margin, the regional distribution dealer adds theirs, and your dealer adds his - all of a sudden that $4 becomes $12.

Companies that sell bearings, but also dabble in other stuff, don't have the knowledge to understand the different compounds & coatings. If it's black, it's rubber, and we'll give you a black one. You're very lucky you found one who knows the difference between the common nitrile O-ring (which will survive in there anyway) and Neoprene. They also wouldn't have a clue if GM spec'd in a special coating to make assembly a lot easier (this is quite common - O-rings can be coated to give them a slippery surface that helps prevent them catching when being pushed into place or having something tightened against them.

The company I work for has supplied GM globally, and in Australia, for many years, with a myriad of parts. Some of the stuff I've come across dates back to the early VN V6. I can't believe the prices these parts were sold to HSPO for, and what a dealer charges. I've also been involved in the manufacturing cost studies when parts have slipped from regular production & into spares support. The cost of making a small amount, and all the other things like shipping & packaging - that were spread over hundreds & thousands of individual parts, are now being spread across a handful. This all gets passed down the line to the consumer at the end of the chain. I've also worked for a bearing company, so I know how they operate.

A bearing shop can buy a generic O-ring of a similar size for a similar price to what Holden would buy it for during production, because they supply industry standard sizes that are being continuously made (usually in Asia) in large volumes, for global consumption. They can sell that O-ring for 20c all day long, or as a one-off, and still make money. It's a common industry part.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 7 February 2013 6:06:54 PM(UTC)
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Spot on Mick.

That VN-VR V6 p/st pump reservoir o-ring is an odd size, but it is made of Viton. What this means is that it is both expensive & difficult to procure in the aftermarket. The upside of Viton is that it lasts much longer than the normal nitrile rubber o-rings.

I've been doing power steering pumps etc. for over 30 years & I've seen more of these pumps than most guys have had hot breakfasts. I always recommend to customers that fit our pumps to re-use that o-ring, rather than replace it with an inferior one that will surely leak within 12 months of fitting. I know of any number of very early VNs (now 25 years old BTW) that still have the factory original Viton o-ring that has now outlasted maybe 2 or even 3 pumps.

If the original o-ring becomes damaged or lost, replace it only with the genuine item. It will be the best $12 you've ever spent.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, 9 February 2013 6:04:42 AM(UTC)
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there you go,lots of new information there!
also one point of my post was to inform others of existence of the O ring in case they were as ignorant as me.

Edited by user Saturday, 9 February 2013 6:08:40 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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