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#1 Posted : Friday, 31 May 2013 11:39:14 PM(UTC)
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Hi, would a hk kingswood wagon 307 powerglide be a rare car, my fathers friend bought this new and still owns it, I have ask dad when he sees him this week to see what plans he has for the car, what money would these get?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, 1 June 2013 12:38:34 AM(UTC)
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Most V8 wagons are not all that common, especially 307,308 or Premier varieties. If the car is in good condition it will be a pretty sought after car. Even as a car to suit wrecking itwill have some desirable stuff on it. Whatit is worth will be dependant upon condition.
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#3 Posted : Monday, 3 June 2013 6:04:47 AM(UTC)
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Hey mate, let us know how you go, and if over budget for you, i am interested, what is the colour exterior? interior colour? log books?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 4 June 2013 7:58:13 PM(UTC)
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Hi, haven't heard how my dad went as yet, from memory it is in the pale green colour, that's all I can remember.cheers
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 11 June 2013 4:39:36 PM(UTC)
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My father put it out there I'm interested in the hk, he doesn't want to do anything with it yet, I ask dad what colour was it and he said a gold colour, would that be the inca gold that the monaros came in?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 11 June 2013 4:49:53 PM(UTC)
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You couldn't order an HK Kingswood in metallic colours, officially anyway.

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 11 June 2013 5:34:43 PM(UTC)
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It could be Mayan Gold, a standard Kingswood colour. Some Monaros were painted this colour if you want to say its painted a Monaro colour. (Inca Gold was not a Monaro colour until 1969, even though it was used on Premier and Brougham from 68)

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 11 June 2013 5:44:16 PM(UTC)
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Terry, do you know when this changed? I know you could order some metallics on HG Kingswood and most of them on HQ Kingswood. Was it HK only?
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I thought that the first Kingswood & (base Monaro BTW) to get metallic paint was the HG. Prior to that it was Premier, GTS & Brougham only

Warren, Mayan Gold was just a beige colour, wasn't it ? I don't believe that it was metallic. What do you mean by calling it a Monaro colour ? You could only get Inca Gold met. on the GTS model. not the base Monaro & I don't think that you could get Mayan Gold on the GTS.

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 11 June 2013 7:53:36 PM(UTC)
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I thought it might have been HG when the first Kingswoods with metallic became readily available.

Mayan Gold was a Monaro colour prior to GTS build. It appears that the colours listed for HK Monaro were changed close to when GTS production started. There were as much as several hundred Monaros built prior to bulk GTS production. The original colours for Monaro were:

Eden Blue
Ermine White
Mako Blue
Kingston Cream
Picardy Red
Mayan Gold
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 11 June 2013 10:47:48 PM(UTC)
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That was just the regular colour range available for early HK i.e. Belmont Kingswood & base Monaro. AFAIK they changed the HK colour palette about 5-6 weeks after the Monaro/Brougham release.

I had no idea so many base Monaros were built prior to the GTS being brought on-line. It would not have effected GTS though, its range was restricted to their colours only in 1968. These were listed from the beginning of Monaro GTS production, before the new palette was issued.

The 2 extra colours I have listed for early HK are Topaz Turquoise & Pyrmont Green.

Of those 8 early colours, Picardy Red, Eden Blue & Kingston Cream carried over to later HKs.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, 12 June 2013 1:10:52 AM(UTC)
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It is starting to look like Pagewood built an awful lot of early cars especially 337's. AFAIK there were the odd cars at other plants, like the pilot cars at Elizabeth but Pagewood appears to have a large amount of the early cars. So far i've found 80337-00249-H5, it was a Mako blue 307 auto and is nearly 500 chassis numbers and nearly 1500 PSN's earlier than my 81837-00002-H5 and there will be another approx 248 of them earlier than it! My mate has 80737-00020-H5, it is 42 chassis numbers higher than mine but 174 PSN's earlier than mine so although its body was built after mine it was completed on the assembly line earlier than mine. The Mako blue car had a V8 Pagewood engine number a few hundred earlier than the 2 x GTS's. Also recently found an Eden Blue 337: 80337KR-00255-H5, its chassis number is 54 higher than the Mako car, and PSN is 98 higher, so there is probably at least another 10 or so 337's before they got to the first Pagewood GTS327, I don't think there are any known Pagewood GTS's lower than my mate's #20 so we'll have to speculate on when the first was built, but obviously heaps of 337's before it at Pagewood anyway. I know it isn't much to go on but the original steering box was in the Mako Blue car when I found it, date coded 28C8, unfortunately it was a power steered car so it had a 16.7:1 box, and obviously demand for these was low prior to GTS and Brougham so the date code may be out a bit. My #2 GTS327 has its original too, which is 1G8. So we know the 337-00249 car was assembled sometime in April, May or June 1968 as it will almost certainly be between the 2 x steering box dates!
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 12 June 2013 2:57:27 AM(UTC)
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I think the confusion here is the use of "Monaro colour", suggesting an exclusive colour that was only used on Monaro.

Now there are only two colours in HK that were exclusive to the Monaro and they were Bright Blue metallic and Warwick Yellow. However these are also "69" Brabham colours also.

Now it is true that just before Monaro release the colour range was changed and therefore the advertised colours on the Monaro coupe (Kingswood version) were not the only colours as some cars had been produced in the "old" colours. This did not effect the GTS range as its colour range was unchanged.

There were plenty of GTS and GTS 327 cars build before the update, however these cars will not be identified by their colours like the Monaro coupe is. Pagewood plant is a good example of cars known however the first GTS 327 from Pagewood was Picardy Red. I am not sure when the first exclusive GTS coloured car was manufactured from Pagewood, but they would have produced a number of "Hero" coloured cars at the beginning, being Bright Blue and Warwick Yellow.

The press fleet came from Adelaide plant and a few pilots were run through Brisbane that we know of.

But back tot he original point, there are no exclusive Monaro colours, however there are a number of colours that are only normally availble on the "performance version Torana/Holdens" ie. Brabham/GTS/GTR)

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 12 June 2013 3:40:49 AM(UTC)
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It is a shame Warren you never got to check that #1 car out and record its numbers! It is also a quirk of fate that bugger all single digit HK GTS327's from Pagewood are known about today, yet most of the single digit HT GTS350's are known of.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, 13 June 2013 5:23:42 AM(UTC)
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It could be Mayan Gold, a standard Kingswood colour. Some Monaros were painted this colour if you want to say its painted a Monaro colour. (Inca Gold was not a Monaro colour until 1969, even though it was used on Premier and Brougham from 68)

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hey warren my 11/68 hk gts Monaro is inca gold??? as you say it was released on premier and brougham so also must of been on Monaro in 68??
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#16 Posted : Thursday, 13 June 2013 5:07:05 PM(UTC)
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It is a shame Warren you never got to check that #1 car out and record its numbers! It is also a quirk of fate that bugger all single digit HK GTS327's from Pagewood are known about today, yet most of the single digit HT GTS350's are known of.



....there is a good chance these earliest Pagewood GTS 327's were allocated to the race teams...as they were a new breed of Holden, it makes sense to ''trial'' them with the people who might not complain too much about warranty !!.....cheers fellas
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It could be Mayan Gold, a standard Kingswood colour. Some Monaros were painted this colour if you want to say its painted a Monaro colour. (Inca Gold was not a Monaro colour until 1969, even though it was used on Premier and Brougham from 68)

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hey warren my 11/68 hk gts Monaro is inca gold??? as you say it was released on premier and brougham so also must of been on Monaro in 68??


Inca gold and Ermne white were added for GTS in 1969. Prior to that they were special order colours.
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It is a shame Warren you never got to check that #1 car out and record its numbers! It is also a quirk of fate that bugger all single digit HK GTS327's from Pagewood are known about today, yet most of the single digit HT GTS350's are known of.



....there is a good chance these earliest Pagewood GTS 327's were allocated to the race teams...as they were a new breed of Holden, it makes sense to ''trial'' them with the people who might not complain too much about warranty !!.....cheers fellas


Mine wasn't, it was a Press/Dealer release car. As far as i'm aware the red #1 Pagewood GTS327 Warren saw many years ago was a normal road car too. As far as i'm aware Bruce McPhee's wasn't an earlier car. Many of the race cars were from Dandenong too. GMH were building these cars (as in coupes) from as far back as May getting as many as possible into plant stock ready for release in late July so there should have been at least one hundred GTS327's made prior to going on sale in August. Race teams could have got any of these cars, so it is just as likely they got #30 from Pagewood as #5 if the car was NSW sourced. I'm not sure of how many of the HK race cars were from NSW, I think the 3 x factory cars were Dandenong, Dave Bennett's would have been as well. McPhee's and West's cars were most likely Pagewood. I think Tony Robert's car was a Dandenong car. Norm Beechey's HK was a Dandenong build. No idea about the Jones/Millis, Petrelli/Slattery or Haynes/Stahl cars or othrs like the Dalton/Lindsay car from Sandown.
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#19 Posted : Friday, 14 June 2013 3:32:19 AM(UTC)
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If they are releasing a new colour in January 69 they wouold have some painted that colour prior to that date, so I can see an 11/68 car being painted in 69 colour.

McPhee got his car through Wyong motors, they just sourced one, so GM-H had nothing to do with sourcing it.

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....i suppose it's a fairly straightforward thing to be able to lump the press/dealer/race cars into a bunch that were not meant for ''general consumption''....

...the same happened in 1948, when there were strict rules as to what dealer got what car...let alone colour or trim...and can see no reason for these brutish 327's being much different in regards to these kinds of allocations....

...we all know that after the press, dealer or corporate duties has been finished with, their ''new release'' Holden generally goes on to second line duties....such as sold to staff etc. ....cheers

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