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#1 Posted : Wednesday, 20 November 2013 7:05:14 AM(UTC)
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Wikipedia calls the Trimatic the TH 180. Follow the link to the Wikipedia article.
I always thought the Trimatic was an Australian design.

Can someone enlighten me?


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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 20 November 2013 7:51:20 AM(UTC)
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It is a French design I think, used across GM worldwide. As far as I recall GMH improved in in HQ and kept improving it through to VL. The TH180 is I think the original cable kickdown HT-HG box.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, 20 November 2013 8:30:31 PM(UTC)
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Yes, it originally came from GM-Strasbourg, same division of GM as the Varajet carby (early 80s) & the 5L40 5-speed auto in VZ & VE Commodores.

The TH180 name was given to it by the Yanks when they got it in various imports in the early 70s. It was then renamed the 3L30, when GM-Powertrain was established around 1990. Then it became the 3L30-C & 3L30-E as it was developed over time.

As HK1837 has said, the original version (we call it Series 1) had a cable kickdown. The Series 2 & 3, totally Australian developments, were far superior boxes.

The old cable version was still used in some European cars, like Volvo, Fiat & Rover etc. as late as the late 1980s.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 20 November 2013 10:37:11 PM(UTC)
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Still is in the Ssangyong i think.
TH170 as well i think maybe 4 cyl.
I think they are a good strong box if you look after them mine did over 400,000 KM with a 308 and i thought they were rubbish ! i flogged the trimatic hard but had a big oil cooler and serviced it.
Most were not serviced at all and driven around with a radiator that was buggered.
The first trimatic type had a problem with the friction material so when reverse was used hard like steep driveways it caused problems. as far as i know this was the main problem.
Back in the 80's i was telling people to put a oil cooled on them but it was met with total ignorance, just like pump up rear shocks they thought they were the answer to everything.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 21 November 2013 4:01:36 AM(UTC)
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It was then renamed the 3L80, when GM-Powertrain was established around 1990. Then it became the 3L30-C & 3L30-E as it was developed over time.


Terry, I edited a typo in the above (3L80 is the TH400).
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#6 Posted : Thursday, 21 November 2013 6:09:25 AM(UTC)
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Thanks, guys for your replies. I stand corrected, I always assumed that the Trimatic was 100 % Aussie design.

Electric kickdown aside, what other major changes happened in its lifespan.

I well remember the Trimatic recall in the early '80s. I must have dropped hundreds of pans & replaced hundreds of filters as an apprentice back then.
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Most of the Aussie improvements were to improve strength & durability. Things like planetary gearsets, torque converters & clutch drums etc. were improved over time until by the VK/VL era they had no drama handling the likes of HDT improved V8 engines.

About the only interchangeable part between an Aussie version & the original French version would've been the pan gasket & some internal seals.

Apart from the 70s clutch material supplier debacle, I've always had a good run out of Tri-Matic gearboxes.

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Still is in the Ssangyong i think.
TH170 as well i think maybe 4 cyl.

AFAIK the auto used in some Ssangyongs is (or was) the Aussie built BTR 4-sp box similar EA to BF Fords.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, 21 November 2013 6:02:35 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Terry
It was then renamed the 3L80, when GM-Powertrain was established around 1990. Then it became the 3L30-C & 3L30-E as it was developed over time.


Terry, I edited a typo in the above (3L80 is the TH400).

Thanks Byron.

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#10 Posted : Saturday, 23 November 2013 4:09:53 AM(UTC)
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they did have have some flaws. A friend of mine had the local contract to regroove the circlip ring on the drive drums or whatever they were called, he had dozens of them on the workshop shelf waiting to be regrooved apparently they used to break circlips I think not too sure exactly what.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 23 November 2013 7:05:18 AM(UTC)
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Turbo-Hydramatic 180 was an automatic transmission developed and produced by General Motors. It was manufactured and used in Europe and Asia in a variety of longitudinal engine vehicles.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 23 November 2013 5:29:23 PM(UTC)
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Nice Wiki cut and paste.
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#13 Posted : Monday, 25 November 2013 8:23:22 AM(UTC)
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My HG V8 trimatic still going strong after 89,000 trouble free miles. Done some towing and pushed it hard at times, never an issue, but regular servicing has been done. A mate had trouble years ago with his surging at traffic lights, not sure if that was a common problem?
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#14 Posted : Monday, 25 November 2013 6:38:06 PM(UTC)
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quote:
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they did have have some flaws. A friend of mine had the local contract to regroove the circlip ring on the drive drums or whatever they were called, he had dozens of them on the workshop shelf waiting to be regrooved apparently they used to break circlips I think not too sure exactly what.
I think that is because of idiots doing reverse to 1st burnouts.
A mate driving his mums 3.3L VB commodore was flat out doing 160kmh he accidently put it into reverse the car went sideways then he shoved it into 1st and then into drive. auto was fine but broke a rocker bucket pedestal
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 27 November 2013 10:37:09 AM(UTC)
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Hi Guys
Just thought I would mention that I took my HQ to a transmission shop in Devon, England recently to have the trimatic serviced.
I supplied the kit from Aus but as for doing the job, the guy looked at it and said 'GM 180'. Done heaps of them before and had no trouble with mine.
Also, my first trimatic did 280,000 kms and was still working perfectly the day I decided to have a full rebuild done. My only complaint is that the gasket gets soft and weepy over time. Other than that, they have served me well.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, 27 November 2013 5:05:45 PM(UTC)
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I'd use them every time. Whilst i'll always first choice choose a TH400 behind a 308 or bigger in a HQ-WB ute/van/tonner i'd still be more than happy to use a trimatic with a decent cooler. They've always served me well when i've had one.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, 27 November 2013 11:14:15 PM(UTC)
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I have always hated them TH400 and TH350 in STD form they lost a lot of power and were slow changing slushbox and would not drop back to 1st until 30kmh talk about rubbish. the holden T Bar was rubbish that only a fool would think up as you could stuff up the gear you are in and trimatic will go back to 1st at any speed, talk about stupid.
So i hated auto's until i drove a XB 2V 351 ute with a C4 T bar it was the best auto you could have and the T bar you could never get wrong. magic auto just magic the XY-A-B 4sp manual were rubbish heavy clunk clunk truck like changing gears but reliable and the only thing good about the 4 sp manual was when you drove it flat out, other than that it was a pain. oh the pain ! Dr Z Smith. could not imagine him driving one.

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#18 Posted : Thursday, 28 November 2013 2:55:21 AM(UTC)
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I've only ever had good TH400's out of Holden and Statesmans. I've usually got them serviced before I got them put in the car, bought a decent converter and used a good cooler. Never had an issue. I wouldn't use a TH350 though unless they were an aftermarket build.
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