you would need a nurse more than a nanny wouldn't you mate?

I see france is investing 3 billion euro about 4 billion dollars to peugot/citroen to bail it out. with china going half. bit more than the request of gmh/ford.

Why is it that all car manufacturers need to be proped up by tax payers?

That doesn't really wash with me. They are like any other business. They either make a product at a profit or they should fail. Why does the car industry need all the special treatment? Mcdonalds employ a lot of people as do a thousand other companies.
So why the special treatment for the car industry?

Also McDonalds workers don't have an AMWU (or similar) to contend with.

Dr Terry

Oh you miss the point. Big companies like Coles employ massive numbers and run their business successfully. Car manufacturers are incapable of running a business without a handout. Why so?

And to add to Dr Terry's point, they and Woolies have been a big part of what has killed off food manufacturing as well, by screwing the producers.

You can all see then that they run successful business in Australia. We all agree on that. Yet GM can not. The reason that other business like The ones suggested survive is because they supply a product people either want or need. Perhaps if car manufacturers supplied cars were cheaper to build and maybe spent less on new model development they would survive on their own two feet.
You will actually find Coles and Woolworths are two of the largest companies in Australia. You will also find Coles is owned by Westfarmers. If you do some research you will find why Westfarmers which started as a farmer cooperative in WA has survived. They diversified. Car manufacturers cry poor but the reality is they have no diversification of risk and have come to rely on our handouts. They are badly run companies.

Correct. All car manufacturers are badly run. They all need tax payer assistance. Why? You can't tell me they are not getting a backhander to move them into Thailand can you?

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Originally posted by wbute
You can all see then that they run successful business in Australia. We all agree on that. Yet GM can not. The reason that other business like The ones suggested survive is because they supply a product people either want or need. Perhaps if car manufacturers supplied cars were cheaper to build and maybe spent less on new model development they would survive on their own two feet.
You will actually find Coles and Woolworths are two of the largest companies in Australia. You will also find Coles is owned by Westfarmers. If you do some research you will find why Westfarmers which started as a farmer cooperative in WA has survived. They diversified. Car manufacturers cry poor but the reality is they have no diversification of risk and have come to rely on our handouts. They are badly run companies.

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I will say that HK1837 is right.

Holden badly run i don't think so really, some stupid trendy fools making the decisions like a bigger heavier VE commodore at the time i could not believe it and a more impractical ute mainly for softies not real working men.
It's our governments that are the problem and our foolish backwards unions that are a problem let run loose.

If you look at how GM got going after WW2, now they were smart people good dammit. i think there were very switched on people at the top who knew much more than the ones running it today when it comes to common sense and overall knowledge but today we have all these little twerps and there small field they only know, it's like the Banks the manager years ago knew everything but not nowadays they don't.
A company like GM going down the drain is no excuse, someone is a idiot for not seeing it all coming.

In Australia with our car industry we never could survive without the Government support right from the beginning you know. and now we see gov morons saying they are not going to support it anymore because they say it's costing them money. well well they have just woke up to it now and people are all up in arms about it all.
I never heard a peep about it with the tariffs we had always had, like up to 70% you know.

I think virgin air is trying to destroy our aussie mob playing a game but our gov should checkmate that low life bastard. that's there job looking after aussie voters, not other dickheads.