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Hi holden fans,
I'm trying to find out the how many of the HD/R x2's were built. I think there were some wagons built but someone more knowledgeable than me could confirm. I find it interesting that People talk in hushed tones about the EH S4 and Bathurst monaros and such but judging by the sale prices of x2 it seems most people think they were ugly ducklings, poor performers or perhaps there were so many of them made they just aren't that special? Does anyone have any clues? I cant seem to find out much about them?
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X2 and 186S option was available on ALL HD and HR, including commercial. Not sure why one would consider them unpopular, HRs were very wanted a few years ago.
I guess there is so little reliable info on them.
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I think the HD-R X2 were not looked up to that much when new as they were nothing much and cost a fair bit to option in the day. only cashed up hoons bought X2 new, and most people did not know jack they thought 179 or 186 were way powerful compared to the old gutless 138ci grey motors they were used to.
EH S4 is nothing to talk about in it's day.
If you wanted power you bought a Valiant with the big 225 slant 6.
Talking to all the old dudes back then, buying was all mainly about saving money. and this was just the start of the performance car in australia that got aussies interested in cars as such. when bathurst racing came about was when even old fogies were interested in such, everyone watched it from what i seen and loved it. you don't see that now to that extent. bathurst is almost dead not many % people give a toss about it nowadays.
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I think the HD-R X2 were not looked up to that much when new as they were nothing much and cost a fair bit to option in the day. only cashed up hoons bought X2 new, and most people did not know jack they thought 179 or 186 were way powerful compared to the old gutless 138ci grey motors they were used to.
EH S4 is nothing to talk about in it's day.
If you wanted power you bought a Valiant with the big 225 slant 6.
Talking to all the old dudes back then, buying was all mainly about saving money. and this was just the start of the performance car in australia that got aussies interested in cars as such. when bathurst racing came about was when even old fogies were interested in such, everyone watched it from what i seen and loved it. you don't see that now to that extent. bathurst is almost dead not many % people give a toss about it nowadays.
The X2 option wasn't that expensive. In HD it was $144 ($96 for Premier) which was cheaper than a Powerglide at $230. I think that the EH 179 was more of a revelation when it was released in 1963 & was also a lighter & better balanced car than HD or HR. Also the X2 was not only overshadowed by the 225 Valiant (as you say) but also the V8 Valiant in 1965 & the V8 Falcon in 1966. I disagree with you comment re Bathurst however. Yes, from my point of view (& most likely yours) the racing was better & more interesting in the 'good old days', but current crowd numbers & TV ratings say that that it is arguably more popular than ever. Dr Terry |
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186S manual HR wasn't overshadowed by any other Aussie made cars in its day either, in a straight line it was essentially a match for an XR GT and a V8 Valiant. |
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Some interesting points,
But any idea of build numbers?
Why do X2's seem so cheap these days compared to other 'performance' optioned cars of the time?
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I don't think they are all that cheap. Compare them to a HK Kingsood, Belmont or Premier with 186S engine. They'll always be wanted but shadowed by V8 examples. |
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There only cheap because they are not Original X2's, first and foremost an X2 must have a 186K code engine.....anyone can put X2 badges, twin carbie's on their and claim it is an X2. I know of 1 1968 Premier the owners claim it to be and X2 with no K code engine
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[quote]Originally posted by David 67HR
There only cheap because they are not Original X2's, first and foremost an X2 must have a 186K code engine.....anyone can put X2 badges, twin carbie's on their HR and claim it is an X2. I know of 1 1968 Premier the owners claim it to be and X2 with no K code engine. An original X2 Premier with correct engine and paperwork would be $25-35,000.
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David, you are forgetting about the HD 179 X2, there were probably similar numbers built compared to the HR X2. Its prefix is 179X.
However I do agree with your point about authenticity. Most X2s I've checked out are either non-genuine or heavily modified (or both). The few 'real' ones left do command big $$$.
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But any idea of build numbers?
They would be in the 1,000s, but I doubt any records to that effect would exist today. Dr Terry |
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Were all HDx2's and HRx2's based on the premier only or were they based on the special and one could opt for the premier?
As you pointed out Dr terry, it must be difficult to find a genuine, original x2 these days, many people would have modified the heck out of many of them.
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Were all HDx2's and HRx2's based on the premier only or were they based on the special and one could opt for the premier?
The 'X2' was not a model, so it wasn't based on any other model. It was simply another engine option just like a 179 or 186. As such it was optional on all models in the HD/HR series. While they are very rare nowadays, I have seen a few X2 utes & vans. Dr Terry |
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Originally posted by Dr Terry
David, you are forgetting about the HD 179 X2, there were probably similar numbers built compared to the HR X2. Its prefix is 179X.
However I do agree with your point about authenticity. Most X2s I've checked out are either non-genuine or heavily modified (or both). The few 'real' ones left do command big $$$.
Dr Terry
Yes point taken Dr Terry
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