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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 24 February 2015 3:31:56 AM(UTC)
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My son has picked up a complete and fairly recent reco 253 red motor bottom ( HG 253 bottom end actually ) with blue Brock B cast heads ( casting numbers 92015981 ) and wondering if anyone can tell me whether the B cast heads were made unleaded suitable.

I'm guessing they were VH/VK era heads ??

Heads are still on the motor, I'm re-camming it but not pulling the heads off for a lookey see, as I have only a couple weeks to get this engine in his HQ to replace his smokey oil guzzling 253 in there ATM.

I don't speak commodorish so I don't know a lot about the engines in any of the commodore range.

I only speak Kingswoodish as my interest only lies in HZ's and backwards.

Any constructive help appreciated.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 24 February 2015 4:20:13 AM(UTC)
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The only carby heads with flame hardened seats for ULP are VL heads.

B cast heads are probably too big for a 253 in both valves and port work. In my opinion you are better off with normal red heads with exhaust seat inserts.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 26 February 2015 12:47:46 AM(UTC)
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The only carby heads with flame hardened seats for ULP are VL heads.

B cast heads are probably too big for a 253 in both valves and port work. In my opinion you are better off with normal red heads with exhaust seat inserts.

Agreed B cast are bit big, then again depends on cam size to. Question.....Weren't standard red heads the same for 253 and 308? Im sure theyre the same part number.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, 26 February 2015 2:34:32 AM(UTC)
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Yes, except for L34 and any HDT engines with B cast heads the 253/4.2 heads are identical to 308/5.0 for the same timeframe.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 26 February 2015 1:35:32 PM(UTC)
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Yes, except for L34 and any HDT engines with B cast heads the 253/4.2 heads are identical to 308/5.0 for the same timeframe.


Weren't all VL heads fitted with L34 spec valves?
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Yes, except for L34 and any HDT engines with B cast heads the 253/4.2 heads are identical to 308/5.0 for the same timeframe.


Weren't all VL heads fitted with L34 spec valves?


Yes they were. Holden only wanted to make one production head so all vl 5ltrs got the Group A head. Know that well from my late teen years when you were nobody unless you had a vl calais lol.... dont see many these days.
The vl was never going to have a v8, just the rb30 as holden didnt want to spend the money in R&D fitting it. ( like its hard, same subframe and floor pan as a vk with the exception of a smaller trans tunnel).
This got up Brockys nose as there was gonna be no holden v8 for hdt and he was involved in fitting the first v8 to the vl.
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Yes, except for L34 and any HDT engines with B cast heads the 253/4.2 heads are identical to 308/5.0 for the same timeframe.


Weren't all VL heads fitted with L34 spec valves?


Yes, but 4.2L engines were finished by then. Fitting big valves for VL engines was also part of how the compression ratio was dropped for ULP.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, 1 March 2015 12:59:58 AM(UTC)
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Thanks fellas,

Yep, understand the heads might slow down velocity for a 253, motor was in an LH Torana, seller said it made 180 kw at the wheels with current cam,he replaced it with an original 308 from a Torana ( for matching engine numbers ) , I had this 253 running on the shed floor, seems OK , not overly cammed, has a quadrajet on it.Will be fitting within a month.

Understand the B cast heads would be better in a 308 but have 4x 308's at home in the shed,and none at present are running ( all need work ) hence will see how they go on this 253.

So B cast heads are not unleaded then, thanks for that guys.

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#9 Posted : Sunday, 1 March 2015 8:23:17 AM(UTC)
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Do you have the specs on the cam that was in it?
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#10 Posted : Monday, 2 March 2015 4:05:45 PM(UTC)
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180kw. My calculations say that's about 240hp. That's a stout little 253. If the 180kw is correct of course.
It must have more than a cam and quad on it. Heads too of course.
It should go well.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, 12 March 2015 9:28:21 PM(UTC)
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Thanks again fellas,

Yep, the seller said 180 RWH so I can only go on that, it may be a piss-in-wind statement, dunno ???

I port matched the inlet manifold to the heads on the weekend with an aluminium burr on a die grinder, the inlet ports on the manifold were way out both in line up with the head ports and in port sizing compared to the head port size. Some ports I had to enlarge up to 5 mm, mainly on the top of the runners.

The cam that was in it was date stamped 10/ 1995 but I can't find any other details of it from the code stamped "090 "( or maybe "060"if I'm reading it upside down ), it doesn't look overly large in lift and duration so I'm thinking there may have been a few extra KW added to the claimed 180 from the seller.

I'm replacing the cam with a cam I have had at home for nearly 30 years.It was briefly run in a 308 in my HQ 80837 coupe I had at the time until I went to 350 Chev.The only thing I remember about this cam is it was a " 30/70 " in the old speak.

It has more lift than the old cam so I'm going to check to make sure that it clears both the pistons and the bore in the 253 before getting too involved in putting the engine back together.

Have bought new sealed power lifters to run on this hardly used cam.

Will report back here.

Thanks fellas.

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#12 Posted : Thursday, 12 March 2015 9:54:14 PM(UTC)
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Make sure that the heads and/or block aren't decked much either or you may have to get the manifold machined too or all your port matching may have been wasted time!
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#13 Posted : Friday, 13 March 2015 2:57:28 AM(UTC)
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Thanks,

The heads are still on the engine and the manifold was the one that was on the engine when I had it running previously on the shed floor. The heads show recent looking machine work on the intake faces as does the inlet manifold so I think the manifold has been machined to match whatever work was done to the heads and block by the previous owner.

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#14 Posted : Friday, 13 March 2015 3:57:31 PM(UTC)
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How did you find driveability with the 30/70 cam? Theyre quite a nice size for a street engine, and Im looking to run something about that size in my 308 hz but am wondering if it will be a liitle too big for a car that I drive most days.Crow makes one and is a split duration and would definetely run well.
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