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#1 Posted : Thursday, 9 April 2015 8:48:39 AM(UTC)
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Considering installing a Vintage Air system to my car as it goes back together. As the car will have the console mounted tacho it means that their may not be enough space to mount the evaporator unit in the centre of the car, so it would need to be offset to the passenger side or go below the glove box area. None of these locations really appeal to me, especially the last two.
This may be a long shot but I am wondering if anyone has fitted one of the Vintage Air evaporator units which is located up behind the dash, and if so how complex is the installation. This car is completely stripped so access to do this is as good as it can be. Any comments welcomed.
Also was the 327 HK Monaro available with air con and if it was, where was the evaporator fitted?
The April 2015 issue of Street Machine shows a behind the dash Vintage Air installation done in a XY Falcon.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, 9 April 2015 5:06:44 PM(UTC)
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Vintage air have some great products that make fitment a breeze. There's no issues remotely mounting the evap core, and running pipes to out to vents located where you want them. This is probably what you'd need to do if you mount it up behind the glovebox (assuming there's enough space up there - but they are a compact unit.

I've helped 2 mates install hidden systems in hotrods, and we put 4 vents in each - 2 in the middle just blowing downward (hidden by the dash) and one in each kick-panel that you could aim up to face level. The only way you knew they had air was the control panel on the dash, and those kick panel vents (which didn't stand out).
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 9 April 2015 6:46:13 PM(UTC)
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As Mick said, mount the evaporator and run tubes to outlets mounted in the dash. If originallity is not a problem, one outlet at each dash end and a larger one in place of the ashtray.

You could also take the heater box appart and modofy it to hold the evaporator.

No the 327 was not available with air conditioning, as race cars did not need it.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, 9 April 2015 7:31:16 PM(UTC)
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I've been pondering one of these for the 307 HK GTS:
http://www.vintageair.co...t%20rev%208-15%2047.pdf
I assume you'd mount it up behind the glovebox with ducts straight up to the demisters and the 3 x 2.25" ducts to outlets as Warren says - you could even use the radio spot for a vent too. They sell vents for floor level as well as the unit would be across to the left.

I guess with this in place there would be no need for the heater box anymore, so you'd just use the Belmont blanking plates and run the hoses and heater hose through these, and it'd be a convenient spot to mount the drier as well, hidden away up under the dash.

Some of the knob sets at the bottom of this page may fit the radio blank space too:
http://www.vintageair.co...t%20rev%208-15%2048.pdf

Or even the 4-lever unit may be able to be fitted where the original HK heater controls are.
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#5 Posted : Friday, 10 April 2015 7:30:18 AM(UTC)
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Byron, why are they 'Belmont' blanking plates ? Aren't Kingswood & base Monaro blanking plates the same ? Is that being too pedantic ??

On a serious note, Vintage Air do offer some good solutions, I've fitted quite a few. However most are designed for LHD, so do some homework first.

The best method for HK/T/G is to delete the OEM heater unit (as Byron has said) to gain some space, but your biggest hurdle is lack of availability of compressor mount bracket kits. Several years ago they were plentiful & cheap, but nowadays are very difficult to source.

Obviously, U.S. companies like Vintage Air can offers many variations of SBC compressor mounts but they've never heard of a Holden V8 or 6-cyl, let alone make mount kits for them.

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I just call them that as that is where I have normally found them, rarely ever if at all seen them on 03 or 04 coded cars although as you say the heater box is an option on those.

If you contact people like Greg at Classicozwreck he'll reasonably regularly still get HQ-WB or VB-VK with a non-genuine A/C bracket to fit a Sanden unit, so if you aren't able to make one that is a possible solution. They are never pretty though, unlike the total kit Vintageair sell for a SBC that bolts straight on.
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#7 Posted : Friday, 10 April 2015 7:18:43 PM(UTC)
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It may well be different in some areas, but when working on these cars by the 1,000s in the Sydney during 70s, I noticed that the vast majority of HK/T Kingswoods & base Monaros had no heater at all. The optional 'Deluxe' motorized heater/demister was a relatively expensive option at the time.

I'm sure this would be even more the case in the hotter climates, further north.

My point about the a/cond mount & drive kits, was that yes, you can currently source some bits from wreckers, but it was only a few years ago that we had a thriving industry in Australia making these kits, where you could buy complete new mount kits to suit most vehicles back to the mid-60s. Since the GFC these companies have all disappeared.

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#8 Posted : Friday, 10 April 2015 9:23:15 PM(UTC)
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The other problem with up to HG Holden 6 cylinder is the mounting of an AC compressor in the place that an HQ on mounts is not possible, due to clearance with subframe. This is probably not a problem today due to the smaller nature of these compressors.

One other option is the use of a blue motor as the head mounts the AC, simular to the original HK to HG design.

But even VC to VH ac systems are hard to come by now.

I have been helping people with real early Holdens for a while and AC is always a problem due to the lack of compressor mounts for red motors. Have only ever found half a dozen that mount up on the head.

As Terry siad, the aftermarket AC industry has died as all new cars have AC.

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#9 Posted : Friday, 10 April 2015 10:38:24 PM(UTC)
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Good excuse to convert old Holdens to SBC's then!
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 14 April 2015 11:57:48 PM(UTC)
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Hi , we have an original 69 build 327 GTS which has been in the family since new.

In 1977 Dad had a Highgate industries- Kent Town Adelaide- Mark 4 Monitor system -sourced from John E. Mitchell 3800 Commerce Street Dallas Texas- fitted by Ackland Motors in Frome St Adelaide.

The tacho was moved a little closer to the gearstick, but other than that the under dash unit fits perfectly , it has a matching woodgrain facia,- it looks like it was made for the car- all the original deluxe heater system fitted as standard is completely untouched , 2 holes through the firewall , condensor mounted in front of radiator- plenty of room- and a special bracket made for the compressor which is mounted on the right hand side of the engine bay alongside the alternator which is retained on it's original mounts and position, with standard pulleys and original waterpump and a separate idler pulley for the aircond belt.
The unit has always worked well except for the fact that the older style compressors always use more power to drive them than the modern day equivalents.

Our car was also optioned with the tape player which was moved to the left and would probably kneecap the passenger in an accident, so we just don't hit things.
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Just an enquiry regarding the blanking plates mentioned in one of the replies. Anyone have a comment on whether registering one of these cars now, without any type of heater demister system is a allowed. Would Queensland be any different to any other state?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, 16 April 2015 11:56:59 PM(UTC)
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As long as the car is as original no dramas. My '57 Chev had no seat belts and was and is still registrable.
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Yes, I'm not sure how other states operate, but in NSW, as long as the car is an unmodified original, then there are no rules on retrofitted any equipment today, bar one exception.

All cars built on or after Jan 1, 1965 require 2 front lap sash seat belts as a minimum, regardless of whether they were originally fitted or not.

Other items, such as reversing lights, heater/demisters etc. are not required if they weren't originally compulsory for their relevant ADRs, but if fitted must be operating properly.

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 22 April 2015 6:50:31 PM(UTC)
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In WA a demister of some sort seems to be required regardless of what the car was originally fitted with, a 12v computer fan blowing air onto the screen was suggested to me by the vehicle inspector, thats what I did and he passed it.
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Going back to the installation of a vintage air system, as noted previously I am planning to install one of these systems in the glove box area. If you want to you can buy or hire an evaporator "dummy case" for these units to find out where it will fit best. It seems these units are available with a heater coil also, which should make it a complete system and also allows the use of the lower blanking plate for all air con, heating and electrical holes into the car interior. Thanks for the replies.
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#16 Posted : Friday, 24 April 2015 12:42:05 AM(UTC)
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If yu are not too worried about how much glovebox space you loose, one option, which I have helped with, used a VC Commodore evapourator box, which mounts near the passengers feet, and then used flexible hose to direct air to vents. I think it also had a heater in it.

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