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#1 Posted : Sunday, 9 August 2015 6:46:39 PM(UTC)
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Morning all,
Question that i have is relating to rotisserie use verses trollies hoists, hoops etc,
I have a HT Monaro which i want to start some body repairs on soon, eg left sill outer and inner, beaver panel outer and some inner sections and the traditional 80's 10 pound minitubs and M21 butchery of the floor along with all the std rust.
I want to use a rotisserie but would like some feedback on how the body shell will handle being supported from the ends while sill surgery is carried out. thanks ian
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#2 Posted : Monday, 10 August 2015 11:37:40 PM(UTC)
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The shell will not have much torsional or longitudanal rigidity around the door opening with the sills removed. Some ironmongery would definitely be in order before you chop the sills out.
I'd cross brace the shell with 32x32x3 SHS secured by tags to the tapped upper and lower front seat belt bolt holes on the "B" pillar, and bolt the centre of the braces where they cross to give some torsional rigidity to the centre of the car.
I'd also add two 32x32x3, or even 50x50x4 SHS braces across the door opening on the side where you are going to remove the sills. They would be parallel to the sills and pick up the door hinge mounting points on the "A" pillar and the seatbelt bolt holes mentioned above. Take a couple of tags off the lower brace and pick up the outer front seat mounting points to tie the edge of the floor pan in.

The lower beaver isn't particularly structural, but the the usual rotisserie points are the rear bumper bolt holes so the rotisserie might get in the way. Perhaps add a transverse tube between these points on the outside of the car to keep the rear rails rigid and correctly spaced, which would also help when you remove the tubs.
Depending on the scale of the butchery with the tubs, you might want to tie the front hangerpoint of the rear springs back to the transverse tube mentioned above with some 50x50x4 SHS. to keeps things rigid around the rear wheelhouse. You can just poke the tube into the recess where the front of the rear springs normally go and bolt through it.

Good luck.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 11 August 2015 3:40:28 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Gm,. I will take your advice and brace it up, as i don't want create any more work.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 12 August 2015 10:56:58 AM(UTC)
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Check out episode one of Project Binky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hCPODjJO7s

Now *that's* a rotisserie! In later episodes as they weld in various panels and custom parts they use a spirit level to ensure it's true, all based on the jig being level from day 0, and the shell being completely braced for rigidity. Make the noise!


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#5 Posted : Friday, 14 August 2015 11:13:38 PM(UTC)
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I would. Banana shaped cars on the rotisserie are not a good look, and it isn't much extra effort to do it right.
That, and I hate the sound of quiet sobbing when the floorpan bends, the lead falls out of the all the seams and the roof creases.
I think that's how ring spanners were first named - because of the noise they make when they bounce off the floor, inanimate objects and bystanders after being thrown in anger due to a rotisserie malfunction.

I hope you aren't removing as much metal as project Binky referred to above, where they've jacked the roof up about 100mm and built a new car underneath it. All that's original is the roof and the bootlid.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, 16 August 2015 8:56:04 AM(UTC)
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**** me, that "Project Binky" is funny as.

Thanks for posting.
Attn camry drivers. The accelerator is the skinny pedal on the right.
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For those following it, Project Binky episode 12 is up on YouTube now.
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