Hi fellas,

I have an eye on a Sandman HJ with compliance date 10/75 and body ID 1976 which a previous thread confirmed as an HJ. But it has twin front headlights is this possible if it's a HJ.?

Yep you're right quads is what I'm talking about. Thank you for confirming this.

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Originally posted by HK1837
Twin headlights are standard on all HJ Sandman. I think you mean Quad headlights.

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I think that this is being too pedantic. To me 'twin headlights' means 2 side-by-side, not 2 per car.

In the motoring mags of the 60s & 70s they referred to the 2 per car set-up as 'single headlights' & 4 per car set-up as being 'dual or twin headlights'. When HK Premiers were first released they spoke of the 'new' dual headlights while the Kingswoods had singles.

So I suppose it depends which school of thought you went to, although the word 'quad' does remove any ambiguity.

Dr Terry

Very well explained Dr Terry, in plain English.

...and if we wanted to be really pedantic, they aren't headlights. According to Holden they are headlamps.

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Originally posted by Alex007
Did the HX series have 4 headlights?

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The only models in the HX series to get 4 headlights as factory standard were the Premiers (sedan & wagon), Monaro LE & both Statesmans (DeVille & Caprice). Add to that the cars optioned with the BO6 Ambulance pack, as they got Premier front styling.

The HX Sandmans only had 2 headlights (singles).

Dr Terry

Just Old School, from the days when we put blocks of calcium carbide in the headlamp and dripped water on it to make acetylene - much like a Chinese hazardous goods storage depot of today.

-Fender or guard?

-Globes are spherical models of the earth, and bulbs are planted for colour in spring.

-Lamps are items which produce light from either chemical or electrical energy. Ask Thomas Alva Edison.

-Alternators produce AC, and Generators produce DC.

-inflammable is something that does not burn. Flammable things do, however, burn very nicely indeed.

And I'm sure there are many more.

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Originally posted by Alex007
In short, would you fellas see the following description as a genuine HX Sandman:

Compliance 8-77
GVM1950 kg
Seating capacity 2
ID 8M70RG J5______X
Model HX8W M 70
Has front door light actuator switch
Has 4 headlights/lamps

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It could be or it could be an XU4. Is it metallic? It'll be one of those interesting 8/77 HX's too with an Elizabeth PSN as the body number. The only way the quad/4 headlight front could be original would be if it was an XU4+B06 (passenger tyred Ambulance pack) which I guess is possible but would be uncommon.

I saw quad used somewhere in GMH literature and to me it removes all confusion.

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Originally posted by gm5735
Just Old School, from the days when we put blocks of calcium carbide in the headlamp and dripped water on it to make acetylene - much like a Chinese hazardous goods storage depot of today.

-Fender or guard?

-Globes are spherical models of the earth, and bulbs are planted for colour in spring.

-Lamps are items which produce light from either chemical or electrical energy. Ask Thomas Alva Edison.

-Alternators produce AC, and Generators produce DC.

-inflammable is something that does not burn. Flammable things do, however, burn very nicely indeed.

And I'm sure there are many more.

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Many more ? There is enough here for an entire new thread.

You mention "fender or guard", in the UK they refer to them as a 'wing'.

Globes & bulbs are another another one. To me a tail-light/tail-lamp is what the assembly would be called, the replaceable piece internally would be the globe or bulb, depending on whether you are a UK or US speaker.

Alternators/generators, are they both dynamos ?

The Inflammable thing is an odd one. When I went to school the word 'flammable' didn't exist, but the word inflammable didn't quite work, although it was derived from 'inflame'. I guess the new word 'flammable' fits better. Check a dictionary, the words are synonymous.

I often tell the story, when I was last in the US. I was talking to an engineer & I used the word aluminium & he asked why I pronounced it like that. I pointed out that in 'real English' the word ends in -ium, so I added you Yanks changed the spelling. He retorted by saying that you 'English' added the i.

I won the debate by pointing out the the number of elements on the Periodic Table which also ended in -ium (Helium, Calcium, Potassium, Magnesium, Uranium etc etc.). I wasn't game to mention Platinum !

Then we started talking about parts of a car & we started with the hood/bonnet thing. He said a bonnet was a thing a girl wore over her hair, but a hood was on the front of a car. I then asked had whether he had read the story 'Little Red Riding Hood' when he went school as a boy. What do Yanks call it, 'Little Red Riding Bonnet' ?

Dr Terry

P.S. Holden found themselves in a strange place, when they 'merged' with GM. Their spec. sheets are an amalgam of US & UK English plus some Aussie additions. They use the terms hood & deck lid, but then use imperial gallons. You'll probably find headlamps gave way to headlights, as GM-H became more Australian.

I came across many examples when editing my book, things like Burl Walnut vs Burr Walnut for example.

Dr Terry, I think you've been taking provocation lessons from Castellan....

None of this has anything to do with forward facing illumination devices, or Sandmans, (or is that Sandmen?) but fun nonetheless.

I reckon it's a lamp. Thomas Edison invented it, and that's what he called it. Good enough for me.

Nope, they are not both dynamos. An alternator, in our world is, in the case of Bosch, a 3 phase star wound rotating machine with a controlled DC field which produces AC voltage, subsequently rectified to DC with a 6 pulse full wave diode bridge.
The only brushes used are for the passage of DC control current to the field via sliprings for voltage regulation. There is no commutator. The brushes do not carry the output current of the alternator.
In the case of Lucas, as above except that the stator winding is delta connected.

Generators, as loved by EH and earlier aficionados have a segmented commutator, brushes which carry full load current and produce DC voltage directly, without further rectification. They meet the definition of a dynamo.

I agree, inflammable makes no sense, but it is the older of the two. One look at the back of an LPG tanker confirms the current convention.

I've used the same strategy with the periodic table, but the elements Americium and Californium are usually the most difficult for your average Yank to argue with. They named them, after all.

The word stickybeak seems to dumbfound the average yank, but I do like the shifter story. What do they call them - "crescent wrench" isn't it?
There's a fairly long list of aeroplanes that have crashed after running out of fuel because their brilliant US gallon has only 3.78 litres instead of 4.55 litres, even though that issue is usually the subject of a question in pilot exams.
And as for exchanging drawings with metric dimensions on them with US colleagues, all I can say is thank goodness for CAD, where you can switch between units easily.

American English? No such thing exists.

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