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#1 Posted : Friday, 11 February 2005 1:55:23 AM(UTC)
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I’m after some feedback from anyone who has had experience with 400 small block and/or 427/454 big block Chevs in HQ-WB Holdens.


As a lot of you know I’ve got a HZ 1-tonner Overlander, which are standard with 308/TH400 and Dana60 rear diff. Mine has 4.10:1 diffs. I’m after specific experience with big cube Chevys in a HQ-WB. I’ve had 327 and 350’s in these models before, but am interested in the big displacement units. As the Overlander is NOT required to satisfy ADR27A, pollution requirements are only a carbon canister and 4.5% CO at idle. It also currently is dual fuel, and returns about 13mpg on LPG and about 15mpg on Pulp, so a big displacement engine won’t affect economy too badly.


The problem is the 308 is too small to be an adequate tow engine, especially in the Overlander. I’ve toyed with the idea of an injected 308, and also just a VN headed carbied engine as it runs on LPG 99% of the time. I’ve also got a shed full of 283,307,327 and 350 engines but a big cube, torque monster is ideal for what I need. The TH400 and Dana60 diff will easily handle the torque of a big block.


Using the 400 small block – I’ve heard that these are old steamers. I know if you don’t have a 4 or 5 core radiator, mechanical fan and shroud on a 350 in a HQ/WB they get too hot. Can anyone talk from experience whether 400’s are much worse?


A 427 or 454 – Anyone used one of these in a HQ-WB? How well do they fit, as in room wise? Cooling issues? I’ll probably use standard exhaust manifolds or 2nd hand extractors if I can find some. What about clearances to the power steering box? The engines I’m looking at are both STD deck height engines. The one most favoured at the moment is an early 1970’s Mercruiser 4-bolt 454 with external oil cooling.


Ive also been told that the radiatior to run with a SBC or BBC is to convert a HQ-HZ over to WB mounts and use a WB 4-core crossflow. Any comments?

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#2 Posted : Friday, 11 February 2005 5:36:27 AM(UTC)
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Cooling problems are a big wank. I run a 600 hp 400 in my HG. It will sit in peak hour traffic at idle with no problems at all. I run a 4 core radiator and flex fan. Was running no worries without a shroud, but I added one just to be sure.
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#3 Posted : Friday, 11 February 2005 5:43:16 AM(UTC)
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Hi Byron,


I don't have any experience of what you are asking, but a guy called Steve in a performance business in Margaret River (WA) has a 540 cube Chev (Merlin) BB in an HQ.


It is properly engineered and road registered. the dyno results ar

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Hi Byron,


I dont have any experience of what you are asking, but a guy called Steve in a performance business in Margaret River (WA) has a 540 cube Chev (Merlin) BB in an HQ.


It is properly engineered and road registered. the dyno results are

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Do you have alloy heads on it. My HJ with a 350 used to overheat really bad. Once it had alloy heads put on it it never even looked like getting hot.
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I'm not sure but are there variations in the 400ci Chev motor.
ie a 400 small block v's a 400 big block?
If so does one run cooler than the other??
Can a 400 be put into a HX with out to many registration issues or are u better off with a 383 chev??
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Im not sure but are there variations in the 400ci Chev motor.
ie a 400 small block vs a 400 big block?
If so does one run cooler than the other??
Can a 400 be put into a HX with out to many registration issues or are u better off with a 383 chev??
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#8 Posted : Saturday, 26 February 2005 6:14:29 AM(UTC)
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have a hj monaro with 427 bbc soon to have 402 bbc with around 450 hp. I run 3 core rad with ef-el ford twin thermos. there are no clearance probs in these models (hq-wb) either steering box etc if you need any more info my email is fionachole @optusnet.c
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#9 Posted : Saturday, 26 February 2005 8:34:43 AM(UTC)
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hi byron a big block will fit the one tonner as im sure the chev mounts are all same. chevs have smaller degree v than holden so clearance shouldnt be much of problem. my 308 overlander would get hot under 4wd operating conditions at slow speed. i ditched
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 5 March 2005 3:24:36 AM(UTC)
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Did you use a switch screwed into the radiator ore one of those under hose nightmares?
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 5 March 2005 6:06:31 PM(UTC)
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Hi Guys.

The BBC is a tidy fit in the HQ/WB chassis. Big trick is to keep it simple. Most overheating dramas are caused by wrong choice of camshaft, coupled with incorrect tuning & sometimes, inadequate cooling.

Keep the cam stock to achieve good ec
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#12 Posted : Sunday, 6 March 2005 8:53:28 PM(UTC)
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I always thought 90 degrees referred to the angle between the big end journals on the crank, not the angle of the V of the engine. I always understood that most modern V8's used a 90 degree crank configuration. Always happy to learn something
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I always thought 90 degrees referred to the angle between the big end journals on the crank, not the angle of the V of the engine. I always understood that most modern V8s used a 90 degree crank configuration. Always happy to learn something n
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Hi Byron.

Thats just a coincidence. The big ends are 90 degrees apart, the same as the V of the block. Its because 720 degrees (2 full engine rotations, because its a 4 stroke) divided by the number of cylinders (8) this equal 90 degrees.

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Hi Byron.

That's just a coincidence. The big ends are 90 degrees apart, the same as the V of the block. It's because 720 degrees (2 full engine rotations, because it's a 4 stroke) divided by the number of cylinders (8) this equal 90 degrees.

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Never thought about it. When you sit down and draw it its obvious. If you ran any other valley angle on a twin plane V8 crankshaft youd get imbalance problems, like V6s do.
I think the Chev V6 is a 90 degree V as well, and runs an unevenly spaced firing
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Never thought about it. When you sit down and draw it it's obvious. If you ran any other valley angle on a twin plane V8 crankshaft you'd get imbalance problems, like V6's do.
I think the Chev V6 is a 90 degree V as well, and runs an unevenly spaced firi
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#18 Posted : Monday, 10 October 2005 4:50:41 AM(UTC)
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Hi im putting a 350 chev into HQ Holden I dont no what the motor was out of but where and how am I best to put the power steer pump and alternator.

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#19 Posted : Monday, 10 October 2005 3:06:06 PM(UTC)
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Am running a 400 small block in an HQ ute, with a torque setup rather than HP. It does have some cooling issues, but only at idle or in traffic on hottish days. I have replaced the (unshrouded) metal fan with twin electrics, which helped heaps. My (3 c
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 12 October 2005 1:21:42 AM(UTC)
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byron,

i have had a 400sbc in my hq monaro,no problems with cooling, a shroud a 4 core no problems.i have just replaced the 400sbc with a 502 monster 620hp and 615ft,im using the same shroud and 4 core does get up to about 180-190,if heavy traffic abo
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