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#1 Posted : Monday, 26 September 2005 7:45:31 AM(UTC)
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Hi guys, I know everyone's been going ape about lpg gas so I thought I would look into it before the motor gets rebuilt. Any internal mods that will help it with the gas? have not started looking for a system yet but any better setups out there? Heard that with the VN's there was a issue with the coil pack? something about firing while on gas?? I have a V6 VN series1 (only had 60,000 on it) that has been sitting for around 7 years. She's been stripped and cleaned but before we get it rebuilt is there any tips or internal problems, weaknesses or items (such as timing chain) that should be addressed before its put together?? It's all going in me EH and it will be a daily driver so reliability is the key, duel fuel is just a thought. Thanks


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#2 Posted : Monday, 26 September 2005 4:30:49 PM(UTC)
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The problem with injected motors is that you need to be able to turn the injector pulses off while the car is on gas.
With a V6 the timing is determined by the computer, and for gas I suspect that needs to be altered slightly.
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#3 Posted : Monday, 26 September 2005 6:09:04 PM(UTC)
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My injectors and petrol pump turn off in my VN when on gas and it's an old Impco unit (1989 conversion). The LPG does have it's own computer and they've only got better throughout the last 15 years. Still goes well even though the car's done a squilli
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#4 Posted : Monday, 26 September 2005 6:51:43 PM(UTC)
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Have you considered running it on straight gas and maybe get a more modern V6, I would'nt touch a VN you can pick them up cheaply. Why not consider all the Mazda, Holden, Toyota v6 engines.
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#5 Posted : Monday, 26 September 2005 9:36:31 PM(UTC)
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Holden released the VP V6 with duel fuel, and used the 808 ECU to control the lot. Have a look at the VP Holden manuals and see if anything was done to this engine. I know the factory install used to start on petrol and switch to gas (not sure if by time
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#6 Posted : Monday, 26 September 2005 9:44:05 PM(UTC)
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In hind site I should have gone to a newer V6 but I got the Ute and a complete damaged VN at the same time 7 years ago. Have already put the complete (as in body and motor) wiring harness incl comm Speedo in the Ute + the conversion is all done so changin
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#7 Posted : Monday, 26 September 2005 10:43:15 PM(UTC)
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Many moons ago, I had a VN S1 V6. I bought it with 140,000 on the clock and the timing chain was RS (but I got the dealer to change it for an aftermarket one - can't remember which brand though - before I took delivery of the car). If I had another, I'd d
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:22:54 AM(UTC)
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My VN had the coil pack die about 2 years ago. It kept backfiring and blowing up the airbox. Went through 3 before I worked out what it was. It wasn't just the coil pack but gas apparently backfires when it's too lean as well. Happened to an XB I
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, 27 September 2005 3:03:41 AM(UTC)
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You missed my point. The VP duel fuel V6 runs the same ECU and mostly everything else the same as the VN, particularly the series 2 or thereabouts (whenever the engine changed to VP specs). Therefore you can fit the VP duel fuel memcal plus whatever else
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 27 September 2005 3:09:18 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Byron, I was typing away my thanks to the other guy's and yours came up after I posted, so only saw yours after..... I'm chasing up on the dual VP's. Cheers

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You may be lucky enough to find a smashed one or an ex cab very cheap. It may be much cheaper to do this and transfer the whole system across than it would be to get an aftermarket system fitted.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 6:18:24 AM(UTC)
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with the coil pack, is it the module or coils that die.
because you can convert a VN to the VR style seperate coils quite easily, and MSD make replacement high po coils for them too.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 7:01:24 AM(UTC)
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From what was said to me about the coil packs its something in the way they fire. Was told that the standard VN series1 fires not only in the cyl that's firing but also it fires in another cyl while the valves are still slightly open?? Thus causing any ga
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#14 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 7:10:43 AM(UTC)
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That reminds me...Didn't the VN's fire the plug at every TDC (at the end of the compression and exhaust stroke)?

Maybe that was the problem with them and airboxes...

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#15 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 7:32:15 AM(UTC)
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it didn't fire the plugs, it fires the injectors.
if it fired the plugs at every TDC, then even on petrol it would explode.
eg, when cyl 1 is at TDC, cyl 4 (for eg) may be on the intake stroke.
that would then ignite the fuel with the intake valve open
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#16 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 7:59:39 AM(UTC)
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They DID fire the plugs in a waste spark system, 2 at once, so that when one is on TDC compression (or close to) it fires, and the other cylinder on the same coil is on TDC exhaust.

With a "gas cam" that has an earlier opening inlet, this overlap can a
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#17 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 8:03:57 AM(UTC)
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I learn something every day Nut, thanx.

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#18 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 8:10:08 AM(UTC)
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I know about the batch firing of the injectors, but didn't that change with the S2 VS when the Ecotech went from 147 to 152 KW? Or was it the VT and S3 VS Utes when the output rose?

The VT V8 went sequential injection (plus roller cam, etc) and picked

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#19 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 8:13:27 AM(UTC)
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Thanks nut! So I guess its a catch 22, you need the cam for the gas but then it allows it blow back. No way of changing the coil pack or set up to rid that problem? guess if you could blokes would have only blown 1 airbox? The aim of my rebuild is for rel
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#20 Posted : Thursday, 29 September 2005 8:16:25 AM(UTC)
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whoops, i meant the VT V8 had sequential injection, the Ecotec's had sequential also.

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