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#1 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2005 6:18:39 AM(UTC)
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G'day guys. I am having problems with the tuning and general fuel acconomy of this engine. The setup is as follows: Standard red 186 block, yella terra head, standard 186 mech dizzy, standard glass mech fuel pump, WW stromberg with 55" jets, 5-speed supra box, 186s manifold and 2" extractors, 3.08 diff. I have gone to so many so called auto specialists in regards to the carby, tuning, electrics, and no real help to the running, the mech did say however that having a yella terra head on a standard 186 could have a large part to play with the problem, since the inlet and exhaust ports are bigger than usual. He also suggested fitting a cam to match the head and getting an elec dizzy out of a VH and a elect fuel pump could help?? I have been told that the 55" jets in carby should not effect the running or perfomance. The timing as is, is very high around 21 degrees which in turn makes is very expensive with fuel. At the momment the Donk uses around $5.oo fuel for 15km driving. Can anybody please tell me if what the Mech has suggested is right and will it work in regards to performance and economy/tuning. Are these modifications (cam)expensive $$$???? If you have any other ideas please don't hestitate, need to finally get to the bottom of this engine, it's driving me crazy.. Money to spend around $500-$600..
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#2 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2005 7:38:51 AM(UTC)
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Jimbob,

Has the engine always run poorly in that configuration? If it's something that's gradually happened over time, it's probably just your timing configuration...

I took my 202 (very similar specs as yours, but with electronic ignition) to a pe
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#3 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2005 3:35:37 PM(UTC)
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Thanks jason, The engine has always been difficult to work with, I suspect the head. The timing is 21 degrees static. In melbourne sorry, but cheers for the help. To get it to run even kind of smooth , you have to advance so much???hmmmm.

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#4 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2005 5:58:17 PM(UTC)
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definately sounds electrical, a YT head should improve things not make them worse. has the dizzy been removed? it may be out by a tooth or 2, or the cam is worn? is it's an old dizzy the shaft may also be worn. Also check the condition of all the other el
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 25 October 2005 3:22:12 AM(UTC)
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Yeah jason, the dizzy has been out so many times I have lost count. The donk is lined up TDC firing on one, then the dizzy inserted so rotor lines up with etched notch. The dizzy points staight out front , then adjusted to suit. The leads and coil are fa
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 25 October 2005 7:15:35 PM(UTC)
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Hey man, if you have to run 21degrees static, start with your dizzy.
Standard red motor timing was 6degrees, bit of work and bigger carby means adjust timing to about 8 or so degrees (should still run really well with y/t head..)!

Pull your distribut
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:31:58 PM(UTC)
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Are you sure the timing mark on the balancer is correct? These have been known to be wrong.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:47:07 AM(UTC)
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Well guys, not sure with anything on this car. The donk was got from a yard, pulled apart and cleaned and then re-assembled. The timing marks were aligned on assembly (2 white dots or dimples can't remember). Carby has been checked before and it's o
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 26 October 2005 7:01:49 AM(UTC)
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I meant timing marks on the harmonic balancer, not the cam gears. Sometimes the balancer outer ring 'walks' on the rubber mount.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 26 October 2005 7:21:03 AM(UTC)
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Sorry if this sounds stupid Byron, but how do ya check to see if it has been 'walking'? And how do ya fix it???

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, 26 October 2005 8:00:56 AM(UTC)
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fit a new quality harmonic balancer, it is very common for the factory ones to fail when they get old.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, 26 October 2005 8:01:11 AM(UTC)
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You can't fix it Jimbob, but you can do some things that will negate the problem (until you give the motor a decent rev...).

Get number one piston to TDC (doesn't matter which stroke). Make doubly sure it is at TDC. Mark the outer edge of your harmonic

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#13 Posted : Thursday, 27 October 2005 7:57:25 AM(UTC)
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To locate TDC accurately, screw a piston stop into #1 plug hole. Rotate engine carefully on the compression stroke until the piston contacts the stop. Mark the balancer at that point. Repeat rotating engine in reverse direction. The centre point between t
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#14 Posted : Friday, 28 October 2005 4:11:54 AM(UTC)
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Well Byron/Tom, I have re-marked TDC on the balancer. It worked out to be around 10mm past the timing mark on the block. Have got the timing down to about 7 degrees BTDC, tried it on 3 but very rough, 7 I think is the best for now. I still can't get
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#15 Posted : Friday, 28 October 2005 6:09:48 AM(UTC)
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Hi Jimbob,

Do you know what specs he adjusted the rockers to?

Assuming your 186 still has a 186 head with adjustable rockers, you can do this:

Get engine to normal operating temperature.

Remove rocker cover.

Start engine and allow to idle.
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#16 Posted : Friday, 28 October 2005 6:32:08 AM(UTC)
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Thanks dave, I might just take car back and get Mech to re-adjust rockers. How can I find these damn vacume leaks?? I can't hear anything see anything. Is a leak around the PCV valve common?? where else to look? And finally, now that i have adjusted th
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#17 Posted : Friday, 28 October 2005 7:20:47 AM(UTC)
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Jimbob.

Vacuum leaks are easy. By yourself a $2 Bunnings spray bottle and fill it with water mixed with detergent. With the motor idling and stubling spray it around all the manifold joints. If it suddenly picks up after you've sprayed a joint that is
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#18 Posted : Friday, 28 October 2005 11:05:50 AM(UTC)
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It's a tough call. If the mechanic has adjusted your timing by experiment and got the engine to run best at that setting then it doesnt matter what the timing mark says. The timing wont affect the zero-lash adjustment on the rockers, but it comes down to
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#19 Posted : Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:34:47 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for all ya input guys, I have taken the car back to Mech and he said that timing was spot on after I re-marked balancer. Re-adjusted mixture on carby like ya said but still stumbling. sprayed with leak check but very hard to accetain if there i
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#20 Posted : Saturday, 29 October 2005 5:16:39 AM(UTC)
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the brake booster may or may not be the problem but if your brake pedal feels very flat and hard and it needs a great shove to stop the car then the booster is buggered, you may also hear it hiss when you put your foot on the brake while idling. this is u
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