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#1 Posted : Monday, 12 November 2007 10:25:44 PM(UTC)
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Thought I'd ask this here, as you may have an answer, being as much Ford nuts as I am Holden. I also don't want to start another Ford vs Holden discussion (we all know Holdens are better!! LOL).

Why is there so much reverence placed on the PhaseIII?
I do understand it was one mean mother of a car, and still is by Australian standards (I mean as compared to say a GT500 Mustang or other big block US Muscle cars). But as far as it's Bathurst record is concerned, it never really did all that much, ie it never had that much competition for 1971, and lost to a 6cyl LJ in 1972. From a pure competition perspective I would have thought the RPO83 coupes of 1973 and 1974 did bigger and better things in beating the very competitive 1973 spec XU1's and the 1974 L34's? I do understand in some ways the 1973 and 1974 wins were by default (pure bad luck both times by the HDT team) but that could be argued against plenty of other Bathurst wins by both camps. To my way of thinking the RPO83 should be up there at the pinnacle of valuable Aussie Fords, like the A9X - both for it's rarity and it's Bathurst successes.
In the Holden world the first muscle Holden is going to be the most valuable ie HK GTS327. Now in the Ford camp, why is the XR GT not the million dollar GT? The HK GTS327 will in the end probably only be rivalled by the A9X coupe (due to rarity and success) and the 1973 Bathurst spedc XU-1 (again for rarity). Is the phase III thing because of rarity? Or it because of it being the pinnacle of performance by Ford Australia (was the phase II quicker?)

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 13 November 2007 6:28:25 AM(UTC)
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Hey Byron ! I may be able to give you an insight into that , My old boss Fast eddie ( as WRITTEN ON THE SIDE OF HIS 10SEC COUPE ) has owned both , He still owns his 1 owner XW GT HO that he brought from new , that also has 16 miles on it in blue factory n
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:44:26 AM(UTC)
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I can't speak for everyone else but for me it's that shaker rocking away at the lights and then canting over as you accelerate...ooooh baby! :)
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 13 November 2007 7:00:01 PM(UTC)
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For me its not how many wins, but the all round look of the car inside and out. Could they have won the next bathurst well some say its the rain that prevented that and the smaller holden was better in with the wet track.
Lest thats what I remember seein
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:10:05 PM(UTC)
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Good insights fellas.
Keith, I sort of disagree on the "mean" look thing. I reckon the XW HO and Phase II look a lot meaner than an XY. And on the looks front, the XA Phase IV trounced them both in the looks dept (again opinion only I know). I also under
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 13 November 2007 11:57:29 PM(UTC)
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Possibly because it was the worlds fastest 4 door car over the standing 1/4 mile for about 30 years.

Yes there are a lot of 2 door cars that would trounce it over the 1/4 mile including some 6 cylinder Chargers and probably most US based big block mus

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2007 2:38:17 AM(UTC)
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Most points have been covered here I suppose. From a personal view I prefer the look of the XA to XC coupes myself and would have an RPO over an XY any day of the week. On saying that though I can still understand the thinking behind the XY being the pi
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2007 4:51:01 AM(UTC)
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Hmm. So by that thinking the HO or Phase moniker is the key. That is the Phase IV would have been the valuable car if it had made production? The fact that the PRO83 was released but not called Phase IV or GTHO is what has held it back?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2007 5:06:56 AM(UTC)
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Like you said Byron the XW looks meaner. I prefer them as well. Could be as Paul said they were the last race cars before the scare.

The scare was some noddy calling them bullets on wheels and said 160mph cars on the roads.

The Australian goverment
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2007 6:20:52 AM(UTC)
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Personally if ever there was a car that looks like it's doing 100mph standing still it has to be the XB from the front.

I remember when you could pick up an XT XA or XB GT for around $1500 if you looked. At the time the same went for a HK-HG GTS 18

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2007 6:54:23 AM(UTC)
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This has been a bloody good natter all round hasn't it. Bryon, the RPOs were a mystery to most people until about 5 years ago. Very few people, including die hard ford fans had ever heard of one. The RPO was never a phase car. It was a stop gap so tha
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:25:18 PM(UTC)
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I wasn't aware of any mystery about RPO83's? My mate bought a black/silver XA GT coupe in about 1988 that went like stink. When I first saw it I remember telling him then it was an RPO83, as it had the little headers, Holley, US Cleveland etc etc. All tha
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#13 Posted : Friday, 16 November 2007 8:26:31 AM(UTC)
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yep its the xy for me? awesome!!
i once took off from the lights in my lh slr253 floored it, the ho, waited untill the lights changed to red, and he took off? he flew past me, and i was simply gobsmacked!! it was like i was standing still?/
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#14 Posted : Saturday, 17 November 2007 9:12:06 AM(UTC)
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hi Byron
I think the XY (and especially the Phase III) stands out for the fact it was the only model with a Shaker and more aggressive Superoo decals, it was a muscular shape with squared off lines compared to the softer, curvier lines of the XA but as y
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#15 Posted : Saturday, 17 November 2007 9:18:07 PM(UTC)
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I wonder if the Phase IV was built would it have been more valuable? Or if then XA coupe was then released in 1973 as a Phase V (rather than as a hidden production option ie RPO 83) if it would have been the big ticket item? Or if Ford muscle would have f
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#16 Posted : Sunday, 18 November 2007 11:21:14 PM(UTC)
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yep, I think you're right, a Phase IV or Phase V would definitely have been up there in the value (and valued) department without a doubt as would an LJ V8 had it hit the showroom floor, and perhaps this is another reason why the Phase III as the last pub
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#17 Posted : Monday, 19 November 2007 5:23:36 AM(UTC)
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It's a shame we never got to big block muscle cars in Australia. We started a tiny bit too late, and if the Supercar scare hadn't killed them ADR27A would have. Imagine what the equivalent Falcon, Charger or Monaro to an L88 or ZL-1 (427) Camaro or a GT50
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, 27 November 2007 9:23:30 PM(UTC)
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The thing that makes the phaseIII great was it had the whole package looks,performance,unbustability and personalty the works.All this from a standard production car,alot of the cars mentioned have some of these ingredients but for one reason or another j
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, 27 November 2007 9:35:57 PM(UTC)
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One thing I also vividly remember from those days was the amount of time spent under my mates holdens repairing BROKEN DIFFS

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, 27 November 2007 9:57:02 PM(UTC)
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YEP,it was a pretty miserable way too spend a sunday night,lying under your mates torana changing his bloody gearbox again in amongst the spiders and pissing down rain of his backyard(few of us had garages back then)just so he could get too work on monday
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