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#1 Posted : Thursday, 2 October 2008 11:34:45 AM(UTC)
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I am at present looking at another 1973 HQ Sedan with a 350 Chev in it. I have taken note of the block casting number and it is 3970010 behind the distributor with a casting clock and a GM 41 as well. I know it is 010 block, but I can not deciphier the 3970010 and the GM 41?
Also, from information I have read, if it was a 350 chev fitted by GMH, it would have a serial number starting with QU.... were in the hell would I find this.

Before I forget, it has a series of number above the oil filter 010 020 173 " I think it is 173 look like it.

Just to add to the mix...on the tunnel between the two bucket seats, there is this hump that has been fitted to the left hand side" passenger" it looks terrible, but on closer inspection. it has been welded in "well done" but underneath ...shambles! but intact.

Can anyone help me with this and let me know, if the 350 chev was fitted to this HQ from factory or is it a create motor?

Thank you for anyones help.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, 2 October 2008 1:00:19 PM(UTC)
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3970010 is a general cast number used from years 1969 through to the late 70s, from memory, i think 1979, and this block number was used for all 350 cubic inch engines for car, truck and available in 2 and 4 bolt. I think the 327 of 1967-8 also ran this n
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 2 October 2008 4:16:39 PM(UTC)
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3970010 (ie 010) block was only used in late HG and HQ, so it could well be an original HQ 350. The Holden engine number for a HQ 350 will be QUxxxxx or 11QUxxxxx (Statesman) followed by Kxxxx in smaller digits. This is located on a small pad on the block
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#4 Posted : Thursday, 2 October 2008 11:17:26 PM(UTC)
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I will look for this QU**** number on the front. and the K*** number on the back.
I have the long skinny tag and body numbers, but I will hold them for the moment.
i will confirm on thing, it is not a statesman or premier either.

The hump on the floo
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 2 October 2008 11:29:16 PM(UTC)
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Kxxxx is on the front as well. Will be in the same place as the QUxxxxx. All HQ 350 blocks were Canadian hence thell all be K, and the only other one you find in a Holden is a T for Tonnawanda, but these are only in some HK-HG. The 350s in the Holden sold
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#6 Posted : Friday, 3 October 2008 2:36:19 AM(UTC)
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Okat HK1837.
I have been down to the local police station, as this car is an absolute brain messer.I have asked them if they can go as far back as they can with computer systems and tell me if the engine number I have provided them that it matched to the
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#7 Posted : Friday, 3 October 2008 3:46:05 AM(UTC)
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This car is a mockup i think! the engine isnt an austrailian chev for a starters.build date is wrong for that engine aswell,and also cars that match up usually arent this hard to decipher.sounds strange to me?

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#8 Posted : Friday, 3 October 2008 4:18:40 AM(UTC)
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With the VIN I can possibly chase up the original build configuration for you. If its an XW8 its easy though as it will have L30 and MC7 or M41 on the BODY plate. Plus the VIN will have a U in it ie 8N69U (or 8Q69U for the later examples). 3.55 is pretty
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#9 Posted : Friday, 3 October 2008 6:09:36 AM(UTC)
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If its an XW8 manual car then with that build date it could possibly be the last or one of the last built.....rumour has it the last one came off the production line 31st Aug 73.

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#10 Posted : Friday, 3 October 2008 9:53:02 PM(UTC)
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Where do I start.
I believe anyone that want to take the time and research tag ids of HQ can work it out in no time just of google.
I find it interesting that a lot of so call experts of the H series cannot get their head around the HQ Kingswood and Mon
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I doubt that its a factory 350 as all HQs were fitted with McKinnon engines (signified by a K cast on the back of the block behind the distributor), all the other stuff (crossmember, glovebox, etc) bar the muncie hump are bolt on items so they are easy en
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 4 October 2008 12:40:22 AM(UTC)
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Just a few corrections:

ALL HQ GTS 4 doors are optioned V8 Kingswoods. The Model was always 469 (ie 80469 ie Holden V8 Kingswood sedan). The later cars did get a Q as the second digit in the VIN though, but this isnt the Model, its the luxury level. Si
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#13 Posted : Saturday, 4 October 2008 2:54:34 AM(UTC)
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OK without seeing the car it is very difficult for us to make out everything. What we can go by is know things that Holden did.

1) when the GTS sedan was released it had a VIN that started 8N69 and this was latter changed to 8Q69. This is the only know
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#14 Posted : Saturday, 4 October 2008 2:57:05 AM(UTC)
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Yes, I believe I do have pics....I will look for them.
I find it hard to believe that someone has gone out of their way somewhere between 1973 to 1990 and tried to muck this sedan up to a GTS 350 with the time to find an engine that was built 13th March
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Warren,
Firstly mate, i really appreicate your input and this is an absolute brain buster, as this car is not making any sense to me at all, as to the standard information provided every where she tells me by tags its a Kingswood V8, but features and oth
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#16 Posted : Saturday, 4 October 2008 6:14:45 AM(UTC)
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To know what you have you really need to have it looked at by someone who has a good knowledge of HQ 350 4-speed vehicles. The quality of the mock up(if it is one) will go a long way to telling you what happened to the vehicle, genuine 350 4 speed bits ar
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#17 Posted : Saturday, 4 October 2008 6:23:32 AM(UTC)
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Matt,
I am at present at my wifes parents place, but I will be home tomorrow afternoon. I have pictures of this car from before rebuild to rebuild to finished product.
I have a pic of the hump and I have pics of all the signs
If you send me your email
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#18 Posted : Saturday, 4 October 2008 8:39:36 AM(UTC)
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Yes by all means send me some pics I would be more than happy to comment..you can email me on [email protected]

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#19 Posted : Sunday, 5 October 2008 8:11:26 AM(UTC)
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If the clutch pedal is was still there then it is easy, the 350 manual clutch system was different, it does not have the tab on the engine side top. So check and see if it is an M15/M20/M21 type or Muncie type.

If not sure just see how the "cable" atta
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Exactly mate! the cahnces of someone coming in and asking for a GTS 350 only in a Kingswood defies me.
as this would not make any sense...but we all admitt that people asked for the Kingswood with GTS options, but paid more for the car, as they
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