yes agree with all comments good and bad , i guess thats when we know we are becoming old farts like our parents
most of the guys on here were allowed to drive what ever as a teenager , only restriction was what the folks allowed you to have as a first car
inexperienced young drivers casue accidents and some people die , thats the nature of the motor vehicle
i mean how many people who posted here have hooned around in the back of ute as a young person ,
if we dont let them make some mistakes then they will never learn ...

i think thats why there is no common sense in the young one today , becuase they are so protected from anything and everything we can
they dont learn like we did ...

i mean these days how many 17/18 yr old actually want a big v8 car , am guessing much less than 20yrs ago