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#21 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 2:41:47 AM(UTC)
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No dont think you can rego them as hot rods,

This will be the biggest drama when they land, sure many will pop on some old id plates and away you go but thats been slammed pretty quick with rta with mokes



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#22 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 4:26:22 AM(UTC)
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Why cant they be registered as hotrods?

Is it the lack of a chassis or is it the old 1948 deadline, for whatever reason?

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#23 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 4:35:15 AM(UTC)
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If it is a replacement shell, a spare part as such, does it not only have to comply with the adrs at the time, therefore if you already have a Monaro just use the shell.

No different to reproducing the front guards, they would not comply with current ADRs.

Just a thought.

As for building a whole car from one of those shells, that would be almost impossible, as there are far too many unique Monaro parts, you would need a whole car to get those things from.

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#24 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 6:19:55 AM(UTC)
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Thats true Warren but as some of the other guys have said this could be a great business idea for the repro spare parts guys ? ? ?
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#25 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 6:37:02 AM(UTC)
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I dont really care what they do ??? Think about this; with AC Shelby Cobra Replicas $$ or the real thing theres a big price difference Ha!! these things will [Never] Have 81837 attached to them or sag hump /diff hump or even a 327****h5 what a shame. Dont get me wrong if thats youre budget then great i understand ; but i dought very much if it will have any if at all impact on a 68. not a 2009
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#26 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 6:57:30 AM(UTC)
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The main difference between one of these HKs and a Cobra replica is the word replica.

The repro HK shells are going to be a spare part not a replica car.

I would guess that they are only looking at doing HKs because all HGs had a compliance plate as did a good many HTs but no HKs did.

If you buy a "body in white" from Holden or Ford for a model that is now a couple of years old you dont end up with a 2009 model car after you have rebuilt a crashed car using the new body as a spare part.


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#27 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 9:58:42 AM(UTC)
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More interesting ?

Will like to see if anything actually eventuates from this one ? ?
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#28 Posted : Monday, 11 May 2009 5:02:31 PM(UTC)
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Putting 81837 tags and 327#####H5 on a car sems to be the big concern, but I can tell you now many people have done exactly that to non 81837 cars already. 307 4 speed bodies are the favourate of these fraudsters.

Buyer be ware on buying any of these cars, as it is very easy to forge a GTS 327 and you do not need a reproduction replacement body shell to do it.

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#29 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 2:57:15 AM(UTC)
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Surely manufacturing technique would be different and these shells might just be easy to pick from the original.

Can anyone comment on the differences between these new Camaro & Mustang shells and the genuine article?

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#30 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 4:39:58 AM(UTC)
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Surely manufacturing technique would be different and these shells might just be easy to pick from the original.

Can anyone comment on the differences between these new Camaro & Mustang shells and the genuine article?


youd be hard pressed to pick it if you were a novice
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 5:19:14 AM(UTC)
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Right I contacted RTA cause this is bugging me, I have a brand new body shell for another of my classics hence why I am keen to hear what is said here

RTA says at first - no problems he agreed better to have a new body rather then bunch of new panels welded to old rusty body, I said are you sure I can replace the complete body (knowing how misinformed they can be) well he goes away your and says I stand corrected if the body has no original ID numbers ie from factory in the 60s as a replacement part/panel from Holden, its ilegal to stamp a body number into it, and as its a new body building a new car, it requires it to meet current ADRs for that year you register it ie 2009,

So in that case a new body must meet new laws as your building a new car, which incurs a huge bill and I would say something no one has cash or time to do

Let me know if anyone has a better understanding to this law? what s***s you the most is there is nothing in writting to read and to use as a guide and typical RTA fassion yeah you go by a persons word but that means sod all when you go to do something



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#32 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 5:53:02 AM(UTC)
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Thats bloody stupid in my opinion. What if its a HQ body that has no numbers?

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#33 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 6:16:41 AM(UTC)
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This is why I asked why cant it be treated like a hotrod, or a Cobra replica or any kit car for that matter.

A 32 Ford hotrod made out of all new bits, doesnt have to pass 2009 ADRs so why should an HK or HQ, made out of a new shell have to.

Can it be classified as an individually constructed vehicle. Are there no rules for this because the RTA hasnt had to think about this before. Surely there is someone out there who has more idea than we do about this.

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#34 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 6:22:39 AM(UTC)
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DOC,

If you build a 32 out of glass in VIC, and with repro chassis, you have to rego it as an 09 car.

it you use 1932 steel cowl, or original 1932 chassis with all glass bits on it, you can rego it as 1932 car
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 6:29:12 AM(UTC)
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The problem is,

1/ If a body shell is a replacement part why then is this such a big deal? or

2/ If a body shell is the car and the rest is components, then surely it is a 2009 model?

how then do they nominate the year model of kit cars which have been fitted with era components?
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 6:31:08 AM(UTC)
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its all just justification of their jobs
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 7:05:25 AM(UTC)
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quote:
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DOC,

If you build a 32 out of glass in VIC, and with repro chassis, you have to rego it as an 09 car.

it you use 1932 steel cowl, or original 1932 chassis with all glass bits on it, you can rego it as 1932 car


Exactly if it was a 1960s body/spare shell then no problem, but a modern take on it then no rego needs to meet current ADRs

As for job justification there is a lot of that at the moment in current market of employment, as there is a lot of top heavy management sitting doing nothing


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#38 Posted : Wednesday, 13 May 2009 6:05:53 AM(UTC)
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interesting thread this one.
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#39 Posted : Wednesday, 13 May 2009 6:16:50 AM(UTC)
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I would be happy if they just did full HQ coupe 1/4 panels, that was often the big killer to most of the shells I have seen, the simple lack of anyone doing a replacement section between the door & wheel arch, the inner sill is no problem & you can use the sedan sections to repair the lower 1/4s.

as for the full HK shells, warren can corrct me if im wrong, but isnt there a difference between early HKs & the later ones in reguard to the windscreen pillars & to convert the new HK to HT-HG would only require the tail lamp openings to be modified? which wouldnt be difficult at all.



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#40 Posted : Wednesday, 13 May 2009 7:26:51 AM(UTC)
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The very early HK coupe shells had different pillars. And I totally agree that if all we ended up with was replacement roofs, guards and quarters for HK-HG, LC-LJ (from a Holden perspective) wed all be in front. Then if that was a success than maybe later panels too like HQ and LX coupe panels.

Personally I dont see a problem with whole HK shells minus firewalls being made where you just had to whack in a HK firewall. As long as the shells were constructed so it was an obvious reshell. Then some nice street cars would start to re-appear again. The aim should never to be to resurrect a Bathurst Monaro. I dont see how this is any different to the rodding fraternity. It might have to stop at shells prior to 1970 though as ADRs and ADR plates would get in the road, so I suppose HK, LC, XW might be a good compromise??

Watch this space I suppose. I still struggle to see how it can be financially viable though.

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