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Then justify the GTS350 coupes, .
Holden didnt dialute the GTS/Monaro monica by including a 4 door version,
Nobody has to justify it. Yes they did "dialute" it. And who is Monica? Lewinsky?
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Again little man.
A good discussion is going on and you have to have a crack about someones spelling.
You obviously have a far superior and towering intellect than we all do.
You must be lonely up there all by yourself, just you and your keyboard.
Again, you have my pity.
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Thanks Bosko, thanks for the entertainment and for being one of the more intellegent and creative people on the Fast Lane. Heres a couple of hunderd for your trouble.  Now, where is Mr Pink and how is the diet going.
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im a proud owner of a mingswood. A 1974 HQ GTS MONARO sedan. I think i have to get my car re registerd as they seem to have made a mistake on the paperwork. hahaha mingswood. Everyone is probably right that they should have kept the 4 door version as a SS. But they didnt and called it a Monaro. If Holden called it a Monaro, it left the factory badged as a Monaro then im thinking that it must be a Monaro...???? Everyone has there opinions on what holden should and should not have done but at the end of the day thats what they did so Monaro it is.
Back to the original post 48K is a bit too much for a "mingswood" in that condition but good luck to the guy selling it.
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Pinky, you mis-understood what I wrote. Byron on the other hand got it. Yes I was seriously comparing a base model HK Monaro with a HQ GTS 4dr Monaro but purely on the basis of which is more deserving of the Monaro name. As for the HK,T,G 186S GTS Monaro they may have looked the part but performance wise they were no better then the HR X2 186 which had the same 145 BHP output.
The 2 door Monaro was really only popular while it was winning at Bathurst, 2 door sales dropped during the HQ range and then dropped drastically during the HJ range when the decision was made to drop them all together. They had to come up with the HX LE just to get rid of excess bodies and these were very slow to sell. Sadly Coupes and convertibles have never really been big sellers in Australia.
Those that call a GTS 4 a family hack crack me up every time, considering both the coupe and sedan will equally seat five adult passengers the coupe is as much a family hack as the sedan ... its just a little harder to access the rear seat in a coupe. My inlaws HG GTS has been the family hack since the day they bought it new and still is to this day.
Coupe or sedan .... I dont particularly give a s*** ... I just enjoy working on our old Monaros. If I had a spare 250K to spend on a car Id probably buy a GT500 Mustang......
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Originally posted by Monaro202
Then justify the GTS350 coupes, .
Holden didnt dialute the GTS/Monaro monica by including a 4 door version,
Nobody has to justify it.
Yes they did "dialute" it. And who is Monica? Lewinsky?
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My 2 cents worth (If it matters) when some one says to you they own a Monaro , what thought immediately comes to your mind?
1. 2 doors ?
2. HK-G ?
3. HQ-HJ ?
4. A 2 door Commondoor?
5. 4 doors?
Not trying to stir the pot , just would like to see all
your opinions?
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come on guys we all know that the hk was the first monaro so there can only be one winner and the winner is HK GTS MONARO its what started it all!!!!
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what comes to my mind is... to ask what model?
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If it came from the factory with a Monaro badge on it, its good enough for me. Be it a 161 drum braked 3 sp HK or the recent 427. Or any thing in between. Whats the BFD if a Monaro has 2 doors or 4?
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vb was the first commodore, does that make it the best commodore?
i dont think so
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ITCH has just reminded me (so not having a go at you ITCH), I still to this day do not understand why the V2 and VZ get bagged as being a 2 door Commodore. They are exactly that, yet share very little in common. Remember a HK-HQ Monaro is a 2 door Kingswood, HK-HG GTS is a 2 door Premier as is HQ and HJ LS. And like those just mentioned, the rest of them (HQ-HJ GTS and HX LE) share more in common with their respective sedans than a V2 or VZ ever did. Just like the HJ and HX did the V2 series II, III and VZ retained carry over designs from their first model that the same series sedans didnt. Is it because people are so ignorant that they dont understand that a Monaro coupe always has and always will be a 2 door variant of a 4 door from the same series? Or are they just idiots and like to belittle something they cant afford?
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vb was the first commodore, does that make it the best commodore?
i dont think so
but you cant compare a crumpledoor to a monaro
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the original Monaro, as a design, was a balltearer. small block V8 and stripes in a sexy coupe body. This was the HK GTS 327.
The dilution started straight away with the 307, 186S and pov pack. These options were predicated by accountants and marketing men.
The HT was ruined by overstyling, and the HG attempted to redress some of those mistakes.
The HQ 350 coupe, though some say is softer, was still worthy of the name.
The Mingswood was when they overstepped the line, slapping a badge on a pimped up Belmont to trade on the Monaro legend.
Thus killing the legend.
So, really, there is only one real Monaro. The further in time and spec you move away from that model the less of a Monaro you have.
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vb was the first commodore, does that make it the best commodore?
i dont think so
but you cant compare a crumpledoor to a monaro
No you cant, but the VB was the best Commodore built. A lot of people will argue to differ, but it was designed on the German Opel and rigorously tested to become one very strong car. But then there is the VK, The Commodore that saved Holden. And there is only 1 Monaro, the other is a 2 door commodore.
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And again, an early Monaro coupe is a 2 door Kingswood, Premier etc. Same same. V2 CV8 is a 2 door Calais.
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the original Monaro, as a design, was a balltearer. small block V8 and stripes in a sexy coupe body. This was the HK GTS 327.
The dilution started straight away with the 307, 186S and pov pack. These options were predicated by accountants and marketing men.
The HT was ruined by overstyling, and the HG attempted to redress some of those mistakes.
The HQ 350 coupe, though some say is softer, was still worthy of the name.
The Mingswood was when they overstepped the line, slapping a badge on a pimped up Belmont to trade on the Monaro legend.
Thus killing the legend.
So, really, there is only one real Monaro. The further in time and spec you move away from that model the less of a Monaro you have.
Bosko, I basically agree with you! But maybe comfort can be had in that basically the "proper" Monaros are a model in their own right ie HK-HQ 1837, and nothing else that matters in Holden history can claim that. Having said that the HT/G 350 auto really should be just an 837 GTS with L30 auto engine option, and a HK 307 4spd is all but a GTS327 (give it the 327s inlet, carb and exhaust and itll go as hard). _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? |
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Bosko, I basically agree with you!
Now just hang on while I print that out and get it notarised
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Bosko, I basically agree with you!
Now just hang on while I print that out and get it notarised
Well you can add me to that list with the exception on your view point on HT. I think the HT was better, externally the rear end lost the nice HK tail light/ moulding treatment but gained the vented hood. Whilst under the hood it gained a bigger propulsion unit with more horses always a desirable point. Inside it got rid of the taxi instrument cluster and recieved probably one of the best sports dashes with a tacho in a far better location. Black wheel suited better than that super poor imatation wood item. Seats got a little better styling in the rear with the depression in the squab and cloth option. I think the HK was great with a little too much HR factor still in it whilst the HT was improved nicely and the HG was a combover until the HQ arrived.
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