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5. Suburban had a 6.5 v8 diesel
6. Scurry van had a 970cc donk
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3. Electric windscreen wipers on EK in 61? I give up.
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5 & 6 now correct wbute. You are now the highest scorer at 5.5
Question number 7 is now the only one that nobody has got even half correct.
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Cool. Thats enough for me.
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Where any of the suzuki-derived barinas smaller than 970cc?
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Where any of the suzuki-derived barinas smaller than 970cc?
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No. 7 = HZ?
Sorry, no. Its much earlier than that. Dr Terry _______________________________________ There are only 3 types of people in the world. 1. Those who make things happen. 2. Those who watch things happen. 3. Those who wonder what happened. |
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Terry the HK had the first Accessory Tape Player made by air chief , what do you mean by genuine ? Do you mean factory fitted as standard to the car off the production line ? HQ was the firtst integrated one made by air chief. You have also said that HR was correct for First with power steering , but it was EH . www.monaromuscleparts.comEdited by user Sunday, 7 February 2010 5:34:34 AM(UTC)
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Terry the HK had the first Accessory Tape Player made by air chief , what do you mean by genuine ? Do you mean factory fitted as standard to the car off the production line ?
HQ was the firtst integrated one made by air chief.
You have also said that HR was correct for First with power steering , but it was EH .
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Not only Air Chief My Export Chev Statesman, if I can call it that, came out with a Clarion Radio/Cassette and quad speakers from GMH South Australia. It was part of a consignment though to Embassy officials, in South Africa.
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Dr Terry, HR was the first with a cassette player (mono unit connected through radio - put in cassette and radio switches off and music plays). I know this because I had one. HQs and LCs are my forte, but I would have thought the first electronics were in the flasher can for the first car with blinkers? Probably way off here though. Edited by user Sunday, 7 February 2010 6:12:10 AM(UTC)
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DA is the only one to get the HR cassette player correct. An old fashioned blinker can could not be considered electronic though.
James, my use of the word genuine, is just that genuine, i.e. not aftermarket. Any accessory or fitting branded Nasco or Air Chief is produced exclusively for GM-H & couldnt be considered non-genuine.
Where did I say that HR was the first power steering & BTW it wasnt EH.
As soon as somebody answers more than 6 correct I will give my version of the answers & then we can have a good debate, not a mass-debate or is that going to far ?
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Its been a bit quiet here today, so I thought that I would liven things up a bit.
Heres a quiz that will get the real Holden guys thinking.
1. Which Holden series has the most available engine options ?
2. What are 2 identifying features of a Holden EH S4 ?
3. If we dont count car radios & alternators as being electronic devices, what was the first Holden to use electronics of any type ?
4. What was the first Holden to feature rack & pinion steering ?
5. What Holden (of any type) had the largest engine capacity ?
6. What Holden (of any type) had the smallest ?
7. In which Holden series was the first genuine cassette player made available ?
8. When were genuine (Nasco) power brakes first made available on a Holden ?
9. When was Holden power steering first made available ?
10. Which Holden was the first to feature power steering as standard equipment ?
There are no prizes, just the prestige of being the first in with 10 correct answers.
There are rules, Byron, Warren, commodorenut & BS are not allowed to enter. Sorry guys.
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Here goes nothin!! 1. HT series 2. Fuel tank, cerametallic brake linings 3. Either FE or FC - blinker flasher can 4. HB Torana 5. HSV W427 6. HB Torana 7. HR series 8. Late 1950s 9. EJ 10. HK Brougham I am no good on the re-badged Holdens as I havent read those portions of your fabulous book yet.
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If I copy DA for HR tape player does that get me to 6 answers so we can get your answers to the quiz?
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The ones I dont count as Holdens are anything that was made for export as a Chev or Pontiac etc. I dont count Bedfords or Vauxhalls. I also draw a line at HSV, HSV is a privately owned company selling cars with an HSV badge & not a Holden badge. Even
VFacts figures exclude HSV.
Dr Terry, The cars are called and marketed as HOLDEN Special Vehicles - HSV. If they are in no way connected with Holden then why the first word in the name? Why not Special Vehicles GTS, etc.? Which brings me to the point of an HQ GTS 4 door car having a Monaro badge. It is called a Monaro GTS 4 door but it is not a Monaro and a blind man would confirm this as he feels the rear quarter. Holden/HSV is in the same league. Can I also adjust my answer to Q3. I now determine the Statesman with rear wheel anti-lock control as the first with a computer (electronics as in discrete components if you like)? Thank you.
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DA is the only one to get the HR cassette player correct. An old fashioned blinker can could not be considered electronic though.
James, my use of the word genuine, is just that genuine, i.e. not aftermarket. Any accessory or fitting branded Nasco or Air Chief is produced exclusively for GM-H & couldnt be considered non-genuine.
Where did I say that HR was the first power steering & BTW it wasnt EH.
As soon as somebody answers more than 6 correct I will give my version of the answers & then we can have a good debate, not a mass-debate or is that going to far ?
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gday Dr Terry, I think James saw that you gave me 2 points for my only two answers No. 9 = HR No. 10 = HK Brougham i thought it was HR due to the prior models having king pins cheers Paul |
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Yes thats correct Paul , i did read it that way . I would love to see one of these HR tape players , that is a new one on me . Are they the same as HK , Terry /D.A Barnes ? www.monaromuscleparts.com
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gday Dr Terry,
I think James saw that you gave me 2 points for my only two answers
No. 9 = HR
No. 10 = HK Brougham
i thought it was HR due to the prior models having king pins
cheers
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Sorry that was my mistake Bluez only got 1 point for the HK Brougham. The first power steer was EJ in early 1963. HDs also had ball joints from July 65, there were actually more HDs built with ball joints than kingpins. But, why does having a kingpin front end stop a car having power steer. _______________________________________ There are only 3 types of people in the world. 1. Those who make things happen. 2. Those who watch things happen. 3. Those who wonder what happened. |
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Dr Terry, The cars are called and marketed as HOLDEN Special Vehicles - HSV. If they are in no way connected with Holden then why the first word in the name? Why not Special Vehicles GTS, etc.? Which brings me to the point of an HQ GTS 4 door car having a Monaro badge. It is called a Monaro GTS 4 door but it is not a Monaro and a blind man would confirm this as he feels the rear quarter. Holden/HSV is in the same league.
Can I also adjust my answer to Q3. I now determine the Statesman with rear wheel anti-lock control as the first with a computer (electronics as in discrete components if you like)?
Thank you.
I dont count HSVs as real Holdens for the same reason they dont themselves. I didnt actually say they had no connection with Holden, its just that they are in fact a separate privately owned company & while they do have their base vehicles built by Holden, the various models & badge names etc. are different to those from Holden. I would treat HDTs the same (except for the first VC model) because HDT wasnt given separate manufacturer status until sometime during the VH period. The simple fact is that HSV, HDT, CSV & WGR etc. are not strictly speaking sold as new "Holdens & made available to every Holden dealer. The main difference between HDT, HSV & the others is that the first 2 are officially sanctioned by GM-H & carry factory warranty. I know its a fine technical point & I can appreciate that others will have an opposing view to mine. My answer for question 5 is the Holden Suburban 6.5 litre GM Turbo Diesel, but I did award 0.5 a point for those who said the HSV W427. The earlier HSV 427 was only a concept or show car & did not go into production so cant be counted. You are getting closer with the anti-lock drum device in Statesmans but I have an electronic device earlier than that in mind. Dr Terry _______________________________________ There are only 3 types of people in the world. 1. Those who make things happen. 2. Those who watch things happen. 3. Those who wonder what happened. |
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OK by my count DA got 6.5. So here are my answers for discussion.
1. The series with the most engine variants is the HG with 15 engine variants, 2nd was LC with 14, 3rd was HT with 12. The HG has the same engine range as the HT, minus the 307. BUT if you include the 4 173/202 engines fitted to late HG commercials you get 15 variations.
2. The only 2 items unique to the S4 are the 12 gallon fuel tank & the hi-temp brake shoes & retaining springs. All the other items mentioned appear on later 179 manual EHs.
3. This is a contentious one. How do you define electronics? I dont count resistors & capacitors as electronic components, for me its diodes, transistors, vacuum tubes & other semi-conductors. As I said, if you exclude car radios & alternators, my answer would be the HK GTS tacho. I dont really count the older non-quartz clocks as being electronic. The 1st electronic control module of any type would probably be the intermittent w/wiper module 1st seen in HJ. If you want to count clocks it would be the FB-EH clock. Relay type blinker cans are not electronic, they are just a bi-metallic thermal relay.
4. First Holden rack & pinion steering was seen on the HB Torana.
5. Largest engine, another contentious one. My answer was the 6.5 litre GM Turbo Diesel in the Holden Suburban, because an HSV is not technically a Holden. If you do want to count HSV models then the answer would be the W427. BTW the 454 BBC was not available on the Holden version of the Suburban.
6. Smallest engine, no arguments there, its the Holden Scurry van (1985-86) with a huge 970cc 4-cyl.
7. The first genuine Holden cassette player was the Air Chief underdash mono cassette introduced in 1967 for the HR series.
8. The 1st power brake unit available was the Nasco/PBR VH24 kit released in 1957 for the FE. BTW, The 1st car that left the factory with a power booster as standard equipment was the EH S4.
9. The 1st power steer was the Nasco kit released for the EJ series in April 1963. BTW the 1st factory fitted power steering was seen in February 1964 for the mid-EH upgrade.
10. The first model with power steer as standard equipment was the HK Brougham.
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