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For all Monaro owners/fans, News in today from the Toowoomba swap meet is that the Monaro book by Ben Stewart and Warren Turnbull is coming back in September this year for the Nationals. Price was mentioned at $50 which is just great. All this was confirmed by a Monaro club member who is involved with the Nationals and let slip about the special publication in conversation. I for one need a new copy!
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Thats a kick in the teeth for people who paid good money for the originals.
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True, but the rest of us might now actually get to see the book let alone buy it.
The same applies to repro parts and anyway the originals will always command more money.
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I agree. If Ben and Warren have decided to do this then good luck to them and I hope they do well from it. The public at large would benefit from a re-run! I know they both put their heart and soul into the original books with sacrifice, commitment and hard work. They own the copyright and can do what they like with it. Anyone who thinks this will drive the value of the originals down has no clue. As with art or any other desireable item, originals are the most valuable. If anything, a reprint could well drive original values up! Same goes with the conjecture that an abundant supply of quality repro items including bodies would have a negative effect....Bring it on! The Ford camp has been well catered for with repro parts, identification information and tech books. Its about time it got a bit easier to find parts (even repro), read about, maintain, and identify a Holden. Go for it Ben and Warren! Cheers Nick Moran Yamba NSW Edited by user Monday, 8 February 2010 12:16:17 AM(UTC)
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Must have been at a different Toowoomba to me, because I know nothing about this.
In the event that Ben and I ever did reprint, we are in a loose loose situation on price, sell for $50 and we are hated by those who have paid top dollar, sell for top dollar and hated by those who do not want to pay top dollar. So why would I bother? enough people dislike me already.
As for the original being more, if we did print we would simply hit the print button and the new would be exactly the same as the old.
BTW there are two vesions, the second version is the one we would print, and of the 1369 books only a few are the second version. We correct the errors in the first book about 6 months before we finished printing them.
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Funny.....I had a feeling about D.A. Barnes statement. Re your comment on the price point. I stand by my comment that a reprint should underpin the high value of the original run. It is worth note that Steve Stathis does a small number of his large size, beautifully packaged books and also does a larger quantity of smaller-cheaper books which contain the same content. The large ones command good prices. Ultimately the market would decide if the price point of the re-run is attractive. Why would you bother? If believe that if you no longer cared about all things Monaro you would not be bothered. But I think you still do. Your presense in this forum and your involvement in the lead up to the Warwick Monaro Nationals is evidence of this. You cant do too much about those who do not like you but I am sure your ongoing availibility and contribution to the Monaro scene is well and truly appreciated! My humble suggestion regarding the similarity of a re-print. It would be prudent to at least subtly change the outside appearance/size of a new one (even if it as simple as changing the lettering format of one major word on the cover). This would maintain (and honour) the identity of the original two runs. .....Food for thought. I strongly encourage you and Ben to consider it as I think you and Ben would not be the only ones to benefit from the improved availibility of this great wealth of knowledge. Cheers Nick. Edited by user Monday, 8 February 2010 7:46:37 AM(UTC)
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In theory I do agree with your point, but having discussed this at least with Ben and also having seen how many times Warren has answered the question in the same way I also understand their reasoning.
Now, if it was me, Id be happy to reprint it IF it was all correct and ready to go. However as the initial book was so thorough, it has flushed out so much more information that was not known at the time of printing. So again if it were me id want to correct it, or more concisely add to the original to make it better. Given how much work went into it, and how much the guys didnt make out of it I an see thier point.
Having said that Id love to see it reprinted too!
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Originally posted by Warren Turnbull
Must have been at a different Toowoomba to me, because I know nothing about this.
Ha! So you were at every site at the same time were you? You must the God some people refer to? The guys at the Monaro club site were talking about the Nationals (some were very happy!!) and what is in store for entrants. God help us.
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Originally posted by Warren Turnbull
Must have been at a different Toowoomba to me, because I know nothing about this.
In the event that Ben and I ever did reprint, we are in a loose loose situation on price, sell for $50 and we are hated by those who have paid top dollar, sell for top dollar and hated by those who do not want to pay top dollar. So why would I bother? enough people dislike me already.
As for the original being more, if we did print we would simply hit the print button and the new would be exactly the same as the old.
BTW there are two vesions, the second version is the one we would print, and of the 1369 books only a few are the second version. We correct the errors in the first book about 6 months before we finished printing them.
Warren
hahahahhaha, gold, i knew this would be the case....i was just waiting for warren to confirm what we all already knew.. leave it as it is, there is enough info around now for people to find out stuff as it is good move warren "Reputations are made and broken as soon as you enter or leave my shed.."
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Spoke to one of the main fellows from the Monaro club today, he knows nothing either, though that Ben might have made a comment to the guys up there.
No I was on my site most of the time, except some small walks and late afternoon on Friday, saw all the guys bar one from the Monaro club, no one mentioned anything to me then. So no not at all sites and never god thank you.
It was good to have a chat to all the guys wandering around. Ben and I had a good get together there also, he also did not mention anything.
When I see Ben next I shall ask him if he has changed his mind and wanting to do something very special for entrants. (now that would make the numbers grow quickly, too bad there is a limit to the number of entrants, which would make it more exclusive)
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Gee Warren dont worry mate I like you & if you do reprint your book Ill take 2 copies. 1 to read in the house 1 to keep in the garage(in case my hands are dirty) so I can retire my signed original copy to the pool room (as the pages are starting to fall out every time I open it). Next time I talk to you I will tell you why your book is my favorite book of all time. Thanks Ron
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Hi Warren,
The world is full of narks and people who despise other peoples successes, I would imagine you might be far more popular than you think mate.
Id reckon there might be a bit of work in it as you said, but the knowledge you and Ben have deserves to be republished for us all to see and absorb.
My late father had an encyclopedic knowledge of classical & jazz music, we joke about how we wished we could have downloaded his brain the knowledge he had would have made a lot of music buffs very happy readers indeed.
So, I for one would dearly love to buy the book and I personally dont care if it were a 3rd edition with a different cover etc, the contents of the book are the key.
Bob.
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I agree with Bob wholeheartedly....
for me it is more than just a book it is a great reference manual that i access information from at least weekly...in fact i dont know what i would do without it except live in an information black hole..
leaving aside how much copies of the book sell for.... if the whole reason it was written in the first place was to provide factual information to monaro owners then IMO by not having a 2nd or 3rd edition available (even in a brown cover) the the original print run falls short of achieving its goal... which is not the fault of the book... its quite simply the monaro community and interest in the body type has grown expidentially in the last 8 or 9 years...
so in my opinion.... for what its worth Warren and Ben.... just reprint the book with a minor change to the cover only... dont waste your time correcting any of the incorrect info contained in the book as it is not worth the time, effort or cost either personally or monetary to make these changes... I would rather own a copy of the book as it is than not have a copy at all...
remember 99% of something is better than 100% of nothing...
Control P ... easier said than done
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reprint and sell at the nationals, im sure everyone that did not have one would buy one.
i think monaro,s have 3-4 times the followers they did from when the book first came out so you could not go wrong this time.
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The great thing today is the car clubs and internet suppplies more info than was in our book, as our book started so many researching.
These people are quite happy to pass this info on. It is no longer like it was int he 90s when many very knowledgable people would not help others, as they considered knowledge as sacred. A lot of these people objected to us supplying the book in the first place.
So today the information is liquid, growing and changing.
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BTW there are two versions, the second version is the one we would print, and of the 1369 books only a few are the second version. We correct the errors in the first book about 6 months before we finished printing them.
Warren
This is what makes the Monaro Story valuable... it is a fairly rare book.... thats all, other than that it is just another automotive information book. It is not a rare timeless classic by a long dead Author that wouldnt lose value if re-printed. Those that think original copies would retain their value if it were re-printed are kidding themselves.
Warren has publicly stated time and time again that this book will never be re-printed and it is this reason alone that I and others have bitten the bullet and paid ridiculous money to obtain one. I for one would be extremely pissed if Warren went back on his word and had the book re-printed.... there could even be grounds for a lawsuit to obtain reimbursement of lost value on existing books. I paid $600 for my book and if a re-print suddenly de-valued it by $550 then I would certainly investigate an avenue of compensation. Thankyou for the above info Warren, it has just made my signed 2nd edition even more valuable.
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BTW there are two versions, the second version is the one we would print, and of the 1369 books only a few are the second version. We correct the errors in the first book about 6 months before we finished printing them.
Warren
This is what makes the Monaro Story valuable... it is a fairly rare book.... thats all, other than that it is just another automotive information book. It is not a rare timeless classic by a long dead Author that wouldnt lose value if re-printed.
Those that think original copies would retain their value if it were re-printed are kidding themselves.
Warren has publicly stated time and time again that this book will never be re-printed and it is this reason alone that I and others have bitten the bullet and paid ridiculous money to obtain one.
I for one would be extremely pissed if Warren went back on his word and had the book re-printed.... there could even be grounds for a lawsuit to obtain reimbursement of lost value on existing books. I paid $600 for my book and if a re-print suddenly de-valued it by $550 then I would certainly investigate an avenue of compensation.
Thankyou for the above info Warren, it has just made my signed 2nd edition even more valuable.
I understand what you are saying but you cant seriously believe that you can hold warren personally responsible because you payed $600 for a second hand book, no one twisted your arm. do you think if you sold it next week for $700 you would give warren and ben a percentage of your profit. didnt think so. Ted
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I tend to agree. Only one person is at fault if $600 was paid for a 2nd hand book, & its not Warren. If you take Warren at his word (as do I) & his best intentions are not to print the book ever again, that doesnt guarantee that it wont be printed.
Say for example, that both Ben & Warren are tragically killed in a car accident (sorry guys, Im not wishing it on you). The copyright ownership is then passed on to their next of kin, who may not want it, so they sell it. The new owners are not bound by Warrens (or Bens) word, so they reprint it. It is their right, they own it.
Has anything illegal (or immoral) occurred here. Well, other than the feeding frenzy on eBay, which netted silly money, not really.
I think any attempted compensation action would be laughed out of court.
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did i tell you blokes im making a movie about myself??? robert de-niro will be playing me and angelina jolie will be playing my love interest. and im borrowing one of cannons sandman panel vans that he has for sale as our winnebago type of getaway car..
should be a good fillum i reckon
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Hey Absinth calm down mate, fair dinkum!!!
Blokes like Warren dont need to be treated like that, can we all sue you if he never comments on here again?
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