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#21 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 2:39:52 AM(UTC)
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OK then hes commented, so you are off the hook. lol.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 2:47:00 AM(UTC)
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Have any of you herd of the Graeter Good. Even if some of us are out of pocket a couple of dollars this book is to good not to share with the current generation of monaro enthusiest or more importantly the next generation of monaro enthusiest who will hopefully be buying our monaros when we are to old to drive them.(my next monaro will be auto/ air/ steer)
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 2:48:32 AM(UTC)
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At least Absinth has come out and admitted he would be very pissed off with me. So how many more would be the same? Do I need that?

Sue me, I doubt it. But food for thought isnt it.

Have emailed Ben and he knows nothing either, so might have been a conversation about how it might have been good if they could get it and for say $50. The only two nationals deligates that were up there selling that I have not contacted are Joe and Craig. Did not see Kaz there so have not tried to talk to her about it.

So I am sure D A heard something, but can rest right now that the book will not be re released at Warwick according to Ben and myself. I am sure we will discuss this issue further at the club meeting this week. D A feel free to come along and talk to Ben and myself in person if you wish.

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 2:51:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by we wreck 81837s only
did i tell you blokes im making a movie about myself??? robert de-niro will be playing me and angelina jolie will be playing my love interest. and im borrowing one of cannons sandman panel vans that he has for sale as our winnebago type of getaway car..
should be a good fillum i reckon

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Robert deniro is too tall try joe pesci ... lol
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 2:53:01 AM(UTC)
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did i tell you blokes im making a movie about myself??? robert de-niro will be playing me and angelina jolie will be playing my love interest. and im borrowing one of cannons sandman panel vans that he has for sale as our winnebago type of getaway car..
should be a good fillum i reckon

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Frank, totally irrelevant and off topic, but funny as hell, and lightens the mood a bit! Are you sure Robert De-niro is the right bloke? What about Steve Buscemi or Jon Lovitz?? As for love interest, understand Angelina but surely you could pick someone even better? Just to name a few: Megan Fox, Jen Hawkins, Blake Lively, Taylor Momsen, Taylor Swift, Rachel Weisz, Delta Goodrem. Or would you rather Kathy Kinney (Mimi from the Drew Carey show)!

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#26 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 3:04:05 AM(UTC)
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hahaha, just wanted everyone to have a bit of a larf(even if it is a larf at my expense)and yes lighten it up a bit, hope it doesnt offend anyone
laughter is good for the soul.

your right byron, maybe danny de vito would be a better choice!!!

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#27 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 4:48:33 AM(UTC)
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hey warren... ever heard the term... vocal minority...

do whats right for you and dont worry about anyone else....

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 4:52:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by Dr Terry
I tend to agree. Only one person is at fault if $600 was paid for a 2nd hand book, & its not Warren. If you take Warren at his word (as do I) & his best intentions are not to print the book ever again, that doesnt guarantee that it wont be printed.

Say for example, that both Ben & Warren are tragically killed in a car accident (sorry guys, Im not wishing it on you). The copyright ownership is then passed on to their next of kin, who may not want it, so they sell it. The new owners are not bound by Warrens (or Bens) word, so they reprint it. It is their right, they own it.

Has anything illegal (or immoral) occurred here. Well, other than the feeding frenzy on eBay, which netted silly money, not really.

I think any attempted compensation action would be laughed out of court.

Dr Terry


Really.... so all you guys that have spent $100,000+ on restoring your HK/HT Bathurst Monaros would have no problem if Holden decided to re-produce them exactly as per original and sell them brand new for $40,000 ea. It would be your own stupid fault for spending that sort of money restoring a 40+ year old car that you thought was going to be rare and collectible.

As for those who think a lawsuit would be laughed out of court I suggest you consult a Lawyer or you may end up with egg on your faces. Precedents have been set in similar cases.

I can appreciate the sentiments of those who dont have this book wanting it re-printed and made available but had Warren given any suggestion that this could happen I would not have paid $600 to obtain one, I have seen them sell for as much as $900 so there are plenty of others out there that thought the same.

There were only 1369 of these books published which makes them fairly rare, they are in demand which makes them collectible... Warren is one of the Authors and has publicly stated many times that it will not be re-printed.... this means it will remain rare and collectible during the Authors lifetime.

If it is re-printed during the Authors lifetime then Warren could be held personally responsible for any losses incurred by those who bought the book on a rare and collectible basis based on his personal very public statements that it would not be re-printed.

Again.... If Warren had made any suggestion that the book may be re-printed in the future there are probably many out there who would not have forked out between $300 - $900 to obtain it.

No offence to you Warren, but I would be truly pissed and I am sure many others would be if you did a Johnny Farnham. I made an informed decision to buy a copy on your personal say so that the book would not be re-printed.
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 5:12:14 AM(UTC)
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Warren have it scanned and sell the CD version.

most people are only after the information contained in the book anyway.

can i ask you absinth, did you pay $600 for the information, or was it an investment.

if it was an investment, well then it wouldnt be the first bad investment in history now would it.

*******PRINT****** lol
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 5:31:06 AM(UTC)
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its a book for christ sake!!!!!

byron, will my movie make this much fuss in years to come?? hahha

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#31 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 6:02:33 AM(UTC)
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Depends how many times your mug was in it!

Just one point on the book guys. Remember none of the information in it belongs to Warren, or Ben, or the owner of one of the books. The infomation is simply factual stuff from GMH literature. So anyone here could go out and get all the same stuff, put it all together and sell it. As long as its not in any way a copy of the book itself and they had GMH permission then good luck to them. As another example, there is some bloke selling CDs on Ebay with cut and pasted text from my website on Sandmans. I know this is very different to Warren and Bens case as "cut and paste" of the book itself breaches copyright. People have contacted me about it, but there is nothing I can do as its all fact, none of it belongs to me. Hes only selling them for $12 so what can I do? Only revenge I have is I know there is some errors on both the Sandman page and the engine number page. Im saving the correct or missing stuff for the book as I have stopped updating the website.

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#32 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 6:13:20 AM(UTC)
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I bought the book for the information but my decision to buy it was based on the fact it wasnt to be re-printed, would remain rare and retain its value. Should I decide to sell it at some stage I should at least get my money back. If it is re-printed it becomes as Frank says, just another automotive book readily available and my second hand one is suddenly worthless.

Ive had my say and Ill leave it at that.
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 6:50:47 AM(UTC)
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absinth,
just off the subject, i checked out those 2 vans today that are in the for sale part of this forum, not a bad deal i reckon..

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#34 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 8:10:27 AM(UTC)
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Absinth.
You made a decision as an intelligent individual to buy a second hand book at what you thought was a fair and reasonable price at the time. For a start you did not buy it from Warren and Ben. The person who profited from it is the person you bought it from so Warren and Ben did not directly profit from its sale to you. You speculatively purchased the book hoping it might go up in value and you might then profit from it or leave it someone who may. Take this to a courtroom and it would surely be dismissed as vexatious and frivolous.

You say that precedents have been set regarding this matter. Can you please name one as an example?

It is unreasonable and unfair for you to think that you could get something from them for what you speculatively did.

Jeez....I paid phone numbers for my Monaro (Ben and Warren both know the car well) at the top of the market. Im not looking for scapegoats and youre hinting on suing someone for five hundred dollars if they choose to re release a title they own.

Warren and Ben own the title and they can do what they like with it. I can assure you you would have no recourse if they chose to republish. They can do it 100 times if they like.

Aside from that it is common sense to believe first run books will always be valuable and larger run additional prints wont be.

Re prints are defined as such in opening pages.

I have a large collection of books/magazines/tech books etc. For example I have a re printed copy if issue #1 of "Wheels" magazine and also a re-printed copy of "Racing car news" #1. Both would be lucky to make more than ten bucks on Ebay. Yet the originals are quite valuable.
I also have an original HT350 Monaro sales brochure which is quite valuable and there are thousands of copies out there and they have not hurt the originals value one cent.

If you think that a re print of Warren and Bens book would negatively impact on the value of yours then I think your knowledge of collectable books is limited.

If you are considering suing Warren and Ben if you lost out from a re print.....will you give them money if your original improves in value as a result of the same thing?

Your book should still do well regarding its value if a re print is run.

Cheers
Nick Moran Yamba. NSW.

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#35 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 8:14:57 AM(UTC)
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What if the book was reprinted in 3 seprate books.Early monaros,the middle or hq range and the latest model range? say fifty bucks each lil bit cheaper for the set.Would this be good or not ?The originals still retain the rareness and value.may be biased view as i would love a book .cheers --keeo
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 8:16:43 AM(UTC)
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anyone wanna go to the movies with me?????

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#38 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 5:59:18 PM(UTC)
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Frank, maybe you could make a new movie "Running on Empty II"", in which a Phase III actually beats something other than and old FB/EK Holden!!! Maybe it could go around racing ricers!

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#39 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 6:16:10 PM(UTC)
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Frank, maybe you could make a new movie "Running on Empty II"", in which a Phase III actually beats something other than and old FB/EK Holden!!! Maybe it could go around racing ricers!

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haha, ive been told im like gazzard boys byron!! hahaha too funny

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#40 Posted : Tuesday, 9 February 2010 6:30:21 PM(UTC)
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anyone wanna go to the movies with me?????

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Who needs the movies, I got the forums! Now pass the popcorn please.

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