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#1 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2010 6:36:55 AM(UTC)
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Im really stuck on this Volt meter conversion of the G's ammeter.

Instrument man cannot convert the ameter to voltmeter.

He could convert a temp, fuel or oil pressure guage if I could find him one that fits.

The rub is it needs to point down and move from left to right.

Movement needs to be small like the original ammeter. Best bet is Holden/Ford/Valiant from late sixties to early eighties.

Can anyone help - need movement only and I don't think it would need to be working.

Here's a pic of the ammeter to show you what I mean.



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#2 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2010 7:52:42 AM(UTC)
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Gday Jeremy, there are some old Veglia gauges getting round like your after that hang down and go left to right.
I think some VW used them as well as Lancias ect



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#3 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2010 8:06:51 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Mark

Looks promising. Any clues where I might score one??

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#4 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2010 9:32:05 AM(UTC)
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while you are about it get it converted to read around 100 or 120 amps, because if you put in a more powerful alternator it will go to at least 85. and the standard alternator only just services the standard system if you run amplifiers or extra lights etc the original alternator is underpowered.
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#5 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2010 5:58:39 PM(UTC)
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Thanks John

Hope the rest of your trip went well - good to meet up with you in sunny CBR.

Nice find Shane - thanks!!!

Ill watch it and see if it stays at reasonable dollars.

Thanks again all.

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#6 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2010 6:46:41 PM(UTC)
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All you would need do is remove the top guauge/movment from the other side of the GTS dash, it will screw straight in, and away you go.

Also I still say your ammeter can be easily converted to a voltmeter, so when you get this sorted would be prepared to take your ammeter and try to converted.

Warren

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Jeremy,

I went and spoke to the local gauge guru who is a VDO repairer, he said no to converting the ammeter and said yes to getting a voltmeter and using the guts of it to replace your ammeter. Wont matter which brand voltmeter you buy as long as its 12V neg earth and its circuit board fits into the current shell.

You will need to contact someone like Jason (fastlane logon HZute-efi-VS5L) to see if he will run you up a decal to replace the whole gauge face done to match the other gauges. You will probably need to dismantle the gauge and send off the flat tin bit to your decal guy first, that way the instrument guy can adjust the voltage reading to suit the scale on the new gauge face when he builds it up.

Warren has said that before and he might be on to something there, maybe it is easier for the repairers to just replace the guts, I dunno so the choice will be down to you.

Bob.

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Hi all

My instrument guys been through the info you sent last time Warren and swears he cant do it.

When its sorted Id love to send you the amp meter mechanism and see how you go.

Bob - Hes looked at installing an aftermarket voltmeter but theyre either too big and clash with the fuel guage or swing the wrong direction. This layout is not a common one.

Ive tried to get a temp guage from a HT/G guage and exhausted all options to date, although there are now some possibilities on ebay.

There are some 70 Fords/Chryslers that also have the same arrangement and Im checking them out as well.

Let you know when its done.

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Jeremy

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#9 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2010 9:36:20 AM(UTC)
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jeremy yes canberra was interesting havent been there for about 30 years.
the reason I suggested upgrading was i cooked my original ampmeter in the HQ when I installed a 95 amp alternator, so dont want to undo all your modification work.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, 28 March 2010 4:51:11 AM(UTC)
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Well I spoke to my instrument guy (dad) to confirm 100%.

He agrees with me, the VDO ammeter is a moving coil instrument and can easily be converted to voltmeter. His comment was why would you want to, and we discussed the shunt size etc as has already been covered.

After a short discussion we came up with the folowing options.

To leave as an ammeter:

1) get another GTS dash and cut the shunt out and place in parallel with the current movement.
2) The shunt current is not the maximum current the shunt can handle and would be well under maximum power rating, so would easily handle the 80 amps (double the current would produce 4 times the power but we estimate the power consumed by the shunt would be as low as 8mW, so would become 32mW). So remove one leg of the movement from the shunt, measure the resistance of the movement with an accurate low reading ohm meter or wheatstone bridge, then place a resistor of this value in series with your movement (between the open leg and the shunt) 1/4 watt would be more than adequate.
3) Measure instrument resistance as pointed out above, plus measure full scale deflection current of movement. Send this info to any reputable instrument place and they will send you an 80A shunt to suit the meter, replace your 40A shunt with this.

We also believe that your 80A alternator is not likely to put anywhere near 80A into the battery (ammeters ony read charge and discharge current of the battery, not alternator current).

Convert to voltmeter:

VDO moving coil meters are sealed and the shunt shall be external to the movement, remove the shunt and place a resistor in series with the movement. The needle is pressed on so can easily be removed and place further to the left.

Information from Nepean instrument services, which ceased operation many years ago. He was the VDO service agent during the late 60s early 70s.

final note, dad remembers having a new guage set for an HT/G GTS dash, from when my brother had his HG, not sure which side, he is going to have a look to see if he can find it. If he does and it is the left side I shall open it up and convert it, with pictures for you.

Warren

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#11 Posted : Sunday, 28 March 2010 8:48:52 AM(UTC)
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Hi all - particularly Warren

Thanks for putting up with me on this one.

Its been so long that this sagas been happening that Ive forgotten why it became an issue in the first place!!!

I think it started when I asked how to wire up the Amp meter because it had not been connected and its a non-GTS loom.

There was some talk of quite a bit of current running through the guage and also potential issues of it all affecting the ECU for the injection system.

I spoke to some more people and decided to try and get it converted to a volt meter, which seems to have been more troublesome than expected.

Anyway, Ive been trying to source spare guages for 3 months and Im now onto some I think - in fact Warren, if your Dad finds some Id love to buy them off him.

Anyway, Im at the stage where I now need to see the conversion through if I can.

Last resort is get the amp meter back and try and wire it and see if it causes any problems.

Either way, if I come across a spare guage Im happy to hand it over to you Warren and see what you can make of it.

Cheers

Jeremy

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