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#81 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 4:48:42 AM(UTC)
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Had a couple of days playing with the car and made good progress so far.

The only thing drivin me crazy is the clutch cable!! Just get it unhooked from the top of the pedal! And I cant get any more access that a couple of fingertips cos the knucklehead who had the VN has pasted silicone and crap everywhere.. Might have to buy one from the wreckers or something...


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#82 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 6:04:48 AM(UTC)
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cool man, youv'e made some progress, now it's time to shove that engine into the VH (gently of course)

that engine crane looks good, i used to have 1 just like it, lol
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#83 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 6:09:48 AM(UTC)
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that engine crane looks good, i used to have 1 just like it, lol


Wot wif no wheels?? .... Nice.lol

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#84 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 6:14:39 AM(UTC)
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no wheels? i didn't notice that,lol

it had wheels when i gave it to him, i'm assuming it wouldn't fit under the car?
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#85 Posted : Tuesday, 6 July 2010 7:16:59 AM(UTC)
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haha. Yeah nice pickup!! I had to take the front castors off cos it wouldnt fit under the car. It was easier to do that then push the car out from underneath, then lower the engine and put the castors back on so i can move it... ah problem solving.... Now if I could just problem solve the #@!!#**!! clutch cable....
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#86 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 7:15:50 AM(UTC)
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WOO HOO.. Finally got the clutch cable unhooked. That was the hardest thing so far! Its always the small niggly things..

Anyhoo i have a couple of questions for the gurus..

1 Theres bugger all room under the glovebox area cos of all the air con stuff, and I assume the computer cant go in the engine bay cos of the heat..? So is there another suggested place to put it in the VH?

2 How the hell do i undo the auto shifter so i can get the console out etc. On the HZs there is a grub screw but I cant see anything anywhere to dismantle the thing..

3 Does the cold air intake fit over the top of the welded in battery tray? I havent really tried hard cos im not at that stage yet but it just looks like itll sit a bit high..

4 Im assuming one of these (below) is the reverse lights wire. Not sure what the other ones for, but do I need to get them to use in the VH...?

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#87 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 8:21:08 AM(UTC)
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ECU.. I'd lengthen the wires and put it under the passenger seat or if possible put it where Holden intended possibly behind a VK EFI or VL kick panel.


According to my workshop manual it says disconnect the speed sensor and reversing light switches. So yes you will need both of those sets of wires.

I had a bit of a chuckle when you said that you had to cut the hole a bit to get the ECU wiring through it as that is exactly what I resorted to when I removed the V6 from my wrecked VN hence my comment about them being tricky to get through the hole a couple of pages ago.


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#88 Posted : Wednesday, 7 July 2010 4:37:30 PM(UTC)
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1. Do what Jim said - LH kick panel behind a VK or VL cover - it sticks out enough to cover it.

2. Isn't this VN a manual? Are you talking about the VH?

3. No, you'll need to remove the battery tray, but in this case you don't really want to, so the next best bet is an enclosed pod filter, or some sort of custom box that works while retaining the battery tray.

4. You need both.
One is the speed sender, the other is the reverse lights.
Reverse lights can be easily spliced into the pink & green wires at the VH shifter.
Speed sender wires need to be spliced into the patch loom you'll need to make to connect to the VH loom & VN engine loom.

This is the wiring I referred to in a previous post, that comes off the main dash/body loom that runs across behind the dash, and goes down to the box via a grommeted hole in the trans tunnel, that you need to retain.

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#89 Posted : Friday, 9 July 2010 3:35:17 AM(UTC)
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Cheers MIck.

Bummer that the air intake wont fit. I might have a look at it and see if I can customize it a bit! Rather the cold intake than the pod filter but will see if I can find some after market ones that might fit too.

And yep I was referring to the VH T bar shifter. Cant work out how to undo it. Is there something Im missing there cos Im sure its not rocket science... I have the console all undone but cant dismantle the shifter..

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#90 Posted : Saturday, 10 July 2010 12:54:23 PM(UTC)
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hi mate,
very helpful thread, im planbning on doing the same thing myself in a couple of months, just need to sell my vn ss first. But the reason for my post is i was wonderinif you wanted to sell thacho dash out of your donor vehicle? If so drop me a line [email protected]
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#91 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 4:21:42 AM(UTC)
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Hi all.
Had a few more afternoons to play in the shed and made some more progress. It'll all slow down I suppose when I start work again from friday. Bummer! Theres so little room in these engine bays compared to the H models and Toranas. My next car will have no power steering, no air con and no exhaust just to make it all easy!!
Got through the second engine removal stage alright. A few swear words when the gearbox wouldnt drop cos it was fouling on the exhaust but other than that all done and I also got the VH K frame out.





Also Mick or another guru, theres a little door looking thing which looks like it has a hole into the firewall behind it which I assume is there for manual cars? Is this the case before i wreck s*** getting to it, and is there already a hole there? Or did I eat too many funny biccies and am I now having an alice in wonderland moment...? See pic
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#92 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 4:41:29 AM(UTC)
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It's just a blank-off for the clutch hole.
You can cut around it (in the thin area) and remove it.
This will reveal a hole in the firewall, ready for the clutch pedal.
However, it will still be sealed by the insulator pad on the pedal-
frame (mounted from inside the car).

You will also need to remove the pedals, and find a VB-VK V8 set.
The VN pedal box is no good to you, nor is a 6.
If you can't find a pedal box, Dellow do a changeover for around $230
if you supply them with an auto set. A mate of mine just got a set
for his SL/E, and they look pretty good - almost identical to factory.

Try to use an original pedal insulator, as the nose of the clutch tube
needs to be sealed off at the firewall. The dellow replacement pads
don't seal this area - you can see daylight past it.
If you have to, salvage the one off your current auto pedals, and cut an
undersize hole to fit around the clutch tube, so it will seal it off.

I also got your email - I'll answer it shortly.

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#93 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 5:05:41 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Mick. That all makes good sense.

I already have a V8 VBCH manual pedal box I sourced from a guy on Justcommodores so nearly good to go. Im thinking swapping those pedals over is going to be a real pig of a job but ive committed now so no turning back!!
Cheers mate.
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#94 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 5:34:01 AM(UTC)
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If you undo the clutch pedal - pull the clip off & slide the pin out - it makes it so much easier to get the whole lot in.

You'll need to drop the column down - 2x 13mm nuts from underneath that hold it up to the dash brace, and there's a bolt through the bracked into the pedal box frame near the pivot points.

Then you need to undo the 2 bolts on the firewall side, either side of the clutch hole (they have access holes in the firewall mat).
Back inside the car, undo the clip off the brake pedal rod, and pop the rod off the pin on the pedal. Then, also from inside the car, undo the 2 nuts holding the brake booster in - you don't need to remove the booster, but those nuts hold the pedals against the firewall!

The hardest bolt to get to is the 13mm one that's mounted vertically at the top, bolted up into a captive nut in the dash brace, above the steering column. Take this out last.

Then when you have the new pedals sat in place, fit that bolt back in loosely to hold the pedals in, and fit all the other fasteners - the 2x nuts on the booster, and 2x bolts from the firewall side, before you start tightening them all up.
Then refit the brake pushrod, and the clutch pedal, before lifting the column up into place & fitting the 2 nuts to the brace, and the bolt to the pedal frame.

It will all make more sense when you have your head under the dash.

Also, do you know how to pull the RH corner of the dash out?
You'll need to, to give you enough room, and it has to be done first....so I'd better explain it.
When you've undone the lower steering column shroud, loosen the 2 column holding nuts, and you'll be able to see the 2 phillips screws going up vertically into the dash brace, that holds the column end of that dash part in place. Undo them. Pop the headlight switch out, and undo the screw vertically above it (not all cars have this screw).
Then pull the vent inserts out of the RH A/C vent, and undo the 2 phillips screws in the top of the vent - tip: turn the vent to "off" before you undo them, so the screws don't end up down the A/C ducting.
Undo the final screw, under the lower corner of the dash (near the kickpanel) and it should drop away.
You can unplug the wires off the locks/windows circuit breakers & kiddy lock buttons (label the wires, as they need to go back exactly the same way). Also unplug the dash light dimmer wires. Have a look at the fuse box, and you'll see the 'legs' that hold the fuse box onto the dash piece - bend them in to release the fuse panel, and you can pull that whole corner out of the car, giving you enough working space to do the pedals.

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#95 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 6:12:11 AM(UTC)
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AY CARUMBA!!

Thanks mick. I found a good thread about it on one of the commodore sites which made it sound like a rotten job. But youve just made it sound even more horrible than i was expecting, but probably also saved me hours of frustrated swearing and a trip to the chiropractor. Actually i think that will still happen... It is going to be a s*** of a job but with that great advice I will at lest know that im on the right track.

Thanks a million!
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#96 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 6:50:13 AM(UTC)
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how'd you go with the shifter?
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#97 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 6:56:07 AM(UTC)
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Hey Dave.
Thanks for the jigglin mate. All good. Got the whole shebang out today and drilled the plate out. Still not sure what was keeping it in place initially!
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#98 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 7:05:42 AM(UTC)
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There's no need to remove the shift knob or lever.
The console lifts out over the lever.
Then there's enough room around it to drill out the rivets.
Just remember to retain the C shaped bracket at the front of the hole - it holds the console down in place when you put it back in.

You can buy the manual shifter console plates from HDT, that will drop into your console (once you pop out the auto cover section).

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#99 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 7:10:39 AM(UTC)
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Forgot to add - your gear lever will come out too far back for the console, and also interfere with the metal at the rear of the hole in the trans tunnel.

There's a couple of ways around this....
1. Use a different T5 (the one used in VK & VL HDT/walky).
2. Import a US T5 (same dimensions as #1).
3. hack out the hole, and mount the console further back (yuck!)
4. Modify the gear lever by bolting/welding a plate onto the "stub", and moving the vertical lever forward.

You can use the front half of the VN's tailshaft, bolted to the rear half of the VH's tailshaft. Being a 5L VH, it should have the same 100mm diameter cv joint as the VN one. Just undo the 6 allen key bolts to swap them, and then get it re-balanced.

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#100 Posted : Thursday, 15 July 2010 7:26:21 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Mick.
I drilled the floor plate out today. Will remember to keep that C shaped bit in place. Thanks for the reminder for that one. And I have already joined up the VN front and VH rear shafts ready to go in. I should get that rebalanced now while its sitting idle out of the car shouldnt I!?

I was thinking i will get an adaptor plate made up to move the shifter forward a couple of inches. I reckon thats the best approach. Ive sena a couple of different pics on various forums. The T5 floor plates you can get from HDT, do they line up with where the T5 comes out a bit far back or where it would sit modified? Ie would I need to adapt the HDT floor plate if I move the shifter forward a bit or would it line up? If that makes sense...??

Cheers again.
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