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thought I would take advantage of the hail sales they are having here and buy my first new car.
Before I laid out the loot I have been renting prospective cars for a day or so and seeing how we like them.
didnt like the mitsi 380 much.
tried a toyota corolla today, was really unimpressed by the steering which had all the feel, sensation and pleasure of a dead dingo's donger.
Afterwards I realised it was probably electric steering, and for my money this steering has a long long way to go before it is acceptable.
Anyone else have the same experience/
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late model front wheel drive all feel like steering is junk, but thats the way of the world now i guess, wait till our commodore gets FWD if its still around to get it in 5 yrs time, thats the real question we have to ask actually
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Corolla steering isnt really designed for feel, sensation or pleasure. Being a rental car its probably got the cheapest crappiest tyres possible and theyre no doubt under/over inflated as well.
What cars have you previously had? Things are going to feel really different if its a class of car youre not used to.
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Its just the steering was so dead, tyre pressure was not significant, the Mitsi 380 is FWD and it had plenty of feel.
Playwme I have had over 200 cars so I do have some experience. I have never had anything with such dead steering.
I am convinced it is the electric steering, I thinkl a lot of cars are going over to it, but not an improvement in my opinion.
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Incidentally at the hail auction the other day a 2004 BA falcon went for $4500, and it was a V8. Not too badly damaged either. A lot of car for not a lot of money.
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I know the sensation you mean John, but Im not convinced its the "electric" part of the steering.
The steering is still mechanically connected. If you lose the electric component, it still functions as manual steering.
Just like a traditional hydraulic power steering systems that youre used to, the electric ones simply provide assistance. In the hydraulic ones, a spool valve in the pinion senses the twisting force, opening a port to allow fluid to flow, which pushes on one end of the assist cylinder (and this effectively "catches up" to the pinion, closing the spool valve - so consistent movement sees the hydraulic system "chasing" the user inputs from the spool valve (assuming its a rack & pinion system).
Purely electric systems use an electrically driven actuator to provide the assistance. Its function is determined by switches & load sensors, and the computer decides how much to assist.
Theres also the electro/hydraulic systems. These function like the traditional hydraulic power steering systems - the pump is simply driven electrically, rather than belt driven from the engine.
The electric motor powers the hydraulic pump on demand, filling an accumulator to maintain system pressure (think along the lines of an air compressor & rattle gun - the rattle gun is the steering, the compressor tank is the accumulator, and the compressor itself is the pump).
The rack section is the same as traditional hydraulic power steering.
In any case, I dont think its the power steering system at fault here. I think its more likely poor design geometry.
You need to consider the target market - Toyota dont sell corollas as a sports car. Youll find the Camry also has rather poor steering feel too.
Their target buyer is someone who just punts a car around from A to B, and couldnt care less about steering feel. Theyre just shopping trolleys, and they may as well have castors on the front!
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No supprise to me, as toyota is the car for people who don't like cars.
Who's idea of ride & handling is how soft the seat is under their bum and how light the steering is.
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