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#1 Posted : Saturday, 12 June 2010 5:47:20 PM(UTC)
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Morning team

Can anyone tell me what finish the factory tow bars and associated bracketry came with?

Mine's part body colour, part silverfrost :)

Were they galvanised, cad plated, chasis black???

What was the tongue done and was the ball black or chrome??

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:09:55 PM(UTC)
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Factory bars are black. Body colour would be from a touch up.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:19:24 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Warren

And were the tongues chrome? Looks to be in the Nashco brochure.

What about the balls? Isn't one at all in the Nashco brochure :)

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:33:02 PM(UTC)
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Chrome plated balls and a black tongue? Are you sure its a NASCO catalogue you are reading?
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:50:21 PM(UTC)
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As Warren has said, the genuine towbars were black. Silverfrost was a common finish on aftermarket bars though.

There were many different tongues available, they varied from state to state, due to differences in regulations. From memory, some of these were available in chrome.

Again there were several different size towballs, but GM-H didn't sell these at all.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, 17 June 2010 3:39:35 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Terry

Didn't know about the tow balls. That explains why they're not shown in the Nasco catalogue. The tongue's definitely chrome in the photo though.

Where the tow balls of the period would have been black then??

wbute - I'd love to see these mags with the chrome balls.... hang on - don't think I would.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, 17 June 2010 4:57:03 AM(UTC)
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Hi Jeremy.

Towballs came in just about any colour depending on how they were made. I've seen black metal finish, cad plated, silver painted & chromed (I'm sure there are more).

The 3 common sizes back then were 2 inch, 1 7/8 inch & 50mm. These days 98% would be 50mm.

Just buy a modern 50mm chrome ball & be done with it.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, 17 June 2010 10:13:07 AM(UTC)
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"Factory bars are black" ,were towbars fitted at the factory ?

or were they a dealer fitted after the factory.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 17 June 2010 6:04:33 PM(UTC)
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The word 'factory' is often used loosely to describe anything that was designed & sold by GM-H, a bit like the word 'genuine'. Quite often parts of this type are not actually fitted at the factory.

A/cond systems in 80s Commodores fall into this category. The units themselves were designed in-house by GM-H & made by Air International. Many were fitted on the production line, including SL/E & Calais models, where they were standard. A lot were fitted at the dealership to lesser models as required. Many were sold into the general trade & fitted after the initial sale. Yet we still call them 'factory' a/cond.

A more precise term would be factory approved accessory or a genuine part. Anything that comes in GM-H or Nasco packaging, over the counter at a Holden dealer, IMO could legitimately be called 'factory'. If we need to split hairs, we could give them their full name 'factory-fitted option' or 'factory-approved accessory' (whether 'dealer-fitted' or not).

When it comes to these towbars, they were never factory-fitted, but they were genuine GM-H 'factory-approved' accessories. I'm not sure who made them, they would have been contracted out, but they were sold as a genuine Holden part. So a 'factory' towbar would be a genuine GM-H one, as opposed to an aftermarket bar, of which there were many types.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, 17 June 2010 7:53:17 PM(UTC)
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Would 'OEM' be better being used to describe this stuff?

Did the HKTG 'Holden' towbars all have the same design, ie are they easy to pick?
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#11 Posted : Thursday, 17 June 2010 9:41:43 PM(UTC)
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Quite the contrary, the term 'OEM' doesn't really apply here.

For those who don't know, the term 'OEM' is an acronym for Original Equipment Manufacturer. What it relates to is who actually makes the parts. For example, if your Holden has a Bosch alternator (or starter or whatever), then Bosch is the OEM. They are the company who manufacture the alternator for Holden.

A bit confusing I know, the alternator is a genuine (or factory) Holden part, but Bosch is the OEM. In the example in my previous post about Commodore a/cond systems, Air International is the OEM.

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#12 Posted : Friday, 18 June 2010 3:47:18 AM(UTC)
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Thankyou Dr T.

I want to buy a towbar for my car and I like the design of this one, is it the 'factory' towbar?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...gories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

Just to add, it is the design I like not that particular tow bar, lol.

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#13 Posted : Friday, 18 June 2010 8:06:22 AM(UTC)
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Yes.

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#14 Posted : Friday, 18 June 2010 5:42:41 PM(UTC)
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