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#1 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 3:04:25 AM(UTC)
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Hi fastlane crew, I have an original bore 186s block that I want to recondition back to stock and want to know what the original cylinder head part number should be as I only have the block. I am wondering if there is any difference between the standard 186 cylinder head and the 186S cylinder head (my question assumes that they are different).

I am also wondering if anyone has an authentic 186S cylinder head that they might be willing to sell?

Thanks in advance!

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#2 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 3:31:31 AM(UTC)
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Same heads for HK-HG, not sure about HR. Just make sure you get a head of a factory A/C car if you have A/C. Cast number for HK-HG is 7437395 or 7437551 for A/C.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 3:39:26 AM(UTC)
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Hi HK1837, thanks for the comment. So the part numbers were the same regardless of wether the engine was an "S" or not. I have read in the past that the cylinder heads on a 186s had upgraded valves and/or valve springs - or is that a "furphy"?

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#4 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 3:55:57 AM(UTC)
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I would hate to be searching for an original Air Con 186 head. I have only ever seen 1, and it was not for sale at any money.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 3:58:28 AM(UTC)
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Luckily the car its going into does not have aircon!

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#6 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 4:25:16 AM(UTC)
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The number given is the casting number not the part number. The bare heads are the same, exhaust valve is different composition and different valve springs.

As these are bolt on, it is only the complete head that has a differnt part numnber, bare head is the same part number, both different to the casting number.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 4:39:29 AM(UTC)
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If you are doing one up I imagine you'd be putting hardened seats, new valves and new springs so as Warren says just grab any head with the cast numbers as I posted above.

Durwin, i've only ever seen one A/C head as well, on a HT Kingswood sedan 186 auto.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 5:38:25 AM(UTC)
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I would hate to be searching for an original Air Con 186 head. I have only ever seen 1, and it was not for sale at any money.


I've got one at the workshop. I had an HK Premier wagon with factory fitted 186S, Air, P/S, P/W, power tailgate, buckets, LSD, 6" rims.

I still have the motor. I had another air con head that I took to the Loxton Nationals. Roger H bought it off me. Apart from factory air heads, all 186 & S heads are the same. Valves and springs different.

I have the super dooper rare fibreglass factory radiator fan shroud for air on a six. Roger H borrowed it and mde a mould so I have a spare.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 6:19:39 AM(UTC)
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Hi Warren, that is both helpful and confusing! I get everything about the physical difference between the 186 and 186S cylinder head assemblies as you have described. I thought the casting number was
actually the part number. I am also aware that the head is somehow
date coded, but am not sure how. So does the part number appear
anywhere on the cylinder head assembly, or is it purely used for
'paperwork' purposes? Or put another way, how do I know if I have an authentic 186s cylinder head other than checking the springs and valves?

Does that mean if I have a standard head, that I can convert it to a 186S cylinder head by upgrading the valves and valve springs?

Thanks for your comment

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#10 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 6:23:43 AM(UTC)
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I have a 186 head in Brisbane if you need one.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 6:28:32 AM(UTC)
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Hi hkdave,
Did your cylinder head come off a 186 or 186S?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 6:30:47 AM(UTC)
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Hi hk1837,
Am I correct in the understanbding that from what you are saying there is no external difference between the heads once fitted to an engine? The differences are only internal and therefore unseen?
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#13 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 6:45:48 AM(UTC)
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That is correct. There is no difference at all except for the exhaust valves and springs. Part number rarely appears as a casting number. Heads are date coded.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 6:52:29 AM(UTC)
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Hi hk1837,
Thanks for your comment - that makes it pretty clear to me.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 7:43:46 AM(UTC)
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Date code will have the something like D159. D is the month A through to M equals January through to December (no I). The last digit is the year (9=1969). The middle digit is the day of the month, in this case 15th. So just look for a head 0-3 months earlier than the build of your car, if you want to get that anal with it. If not just get the right cast number.

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#16 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 8:16:05 AM(UTC)
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Hi hk1837,
That is really helpful, as I have never understood how the date coding works, but that is very clear. It does make me wonder about the "clock" symbol that I have seen on cylinder heads - is that part of the date coding as well or something else?
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#17 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 5:39:37 PM(UTC)
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I can't remember what the clock is. Something to do with time of day or which shift. Date codes also changed from US formal to Aus format later in HQ as well, so the letter is in the middle. Other bits on HK-HG always used Aussie format, just look at your steering box or column.

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#18 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 5:50:39 PM(UTC)
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The number on the head is a part number as such, but is for an unmachined head.

Then once machine it becomes a different part, therefore a different part number. Then once valves and springs added it becomes another part number again.

For example, order an engine from Holden, do you want a bare block, block with pistons or a complete engine. All different part numbers. A 186 block with steel crank becomes a 186S, with standard crank is 186.

A bare head, no valves etc is the same 186 and 186S and Low compression 161, 7438300

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#19 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 7:23:27 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for all the feedback/comments. The part numbering stuff is pretty intriguing. I think I will just grab a "stock" 186 head with reasonably accurate date coding and upgrade it to suit 186S. Seems like the smartest way forward!

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#20 Posted : Thursday, 7 October 2010 11:25:00 PM(UTC)
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The head came off a 186.
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