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#1 Posted : Monday, 21 February 2011 1:30:18 AM(UTC)
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Hi all

Doing a huge clean up and have found a chev engine in the back corner of the shed, was given to me many many years ago.
No idea what size or what its out of.
Numbers are
3932386
19N5132**
V09I***

Can any of you Chev gurus help?
Thanks

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#2 Posted : Monday, 21 February 2011 2:42:44 AM(UTC)
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3932386 = 302 camaro or 327 and 350.Basically a 4" bore with a variety of crankshafts,(V)engine was made
at the flint factory...19N = 1 = chev 9 = 1969 N = norwood assembly

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#3 Posted : Monday, 21 February 2011 8:41:12 AM(UTC)
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So its a 4" bore block, but to find out exactly what it is I have to check the crank?
Cant tell by the engine number?
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Same block numbers as Type 2 327 (should be Canadian ) and HT and HG 350 Auto (up until later 1970) and would be Tonawandan Made .
It has a US engine number though .

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#5 Posted : Monday, 21 February 2011 10:55:13 AM(UTC)
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Correct Jim. Chev made at Flint plant, 4 inch 302/350 not a 327 with this cast #, 4 or 2 bolt, but if it does have 2 bolt it would be very rare, large or small journal but, if it is a small journal it is very rare and come out in one of only 600 or so 1967 Z28 Camaros. Yes the crank will decide what displacement you have got at the moment. Without taking the sump off check the shape of the crank flange, if its round it will most likely be a 302 but possibly an old 283. The 350 crank flanges have flat sides. If it is neither of those it is a 307 or 327 crank. The crank cast # will tell you all that. If its got the original crank I'd be leaning to the 350. If it is a 350 it would probably have one of these cast #s 1182, 3892690, 3932442, 3941182, 3941188. If its not original, well with a little bit of grinding, swapping and changing it could be any displacement you like and thats the beauty of the small block chev....Jack
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#6 Posted : Monday, 21 February 2011 12:00:54 PM(UTC)
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This is where the water gets muddy. What the engine was made for and got used for can be different.or where eg Australian use or USA. The last 327 displacement engine factory fitted to a car in the US or Australia was 1969 and that was early 1969. With the full engine code it would help V091xxx points to ,as Jim also states, made at the FLINT plant. This V091xxx indicates it was made in the 9th month of that year, 7 or 8 months after the last 327 was produced so it is not a 327, never started out as a 327 anyway. What are the last 3 digits of this code, that would help.......Jack
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#7 Posted : Monday, 21 February 2011 3:46:10 PM(UTC)
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HERE YOU GO...302 327 350..are all the same cast numbers but as stated probly not a 327 ... Crankshaft?

http://www.nastyz28.com/sbchevy/sblock.php

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#8 Posted : Monday, 21 February 2011 5:55:06 PM(UTC)
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Last 3 digitsa are 9FJ
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, 22 February 2011 3:16:19 AM(UTC)
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Out of curiosity i checked my chevs numbers on that website and found something interesting. The engine was built in 1974 but was installed in a 1976 car (Polce Belair). Strange. But thanks for the link, its damn helpful!

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 22 February 2011 4:35:33 AM(UTC)
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yep
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:43:36 AM(UTC)
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Hi Jim and Ayios. Those last 3 digits of the engine code we should looked at 1st. YES JIM Engines with the cast # 3932386 were used for 302, 327 and 350s. The engine code V0919FJ tells us where it was made ie Flint. The date ie 19th Sept, what this engine was to used for and that is a 327, 4 bolt, fitted with a 2 barrel carby, a manual transmission fitted to a Camaro in 1969. Only the DATE cast details will tell us when just the block was MADE, CAST only, not assembled. You will probably find the date this block would have been cast somewhere between august 1968 and January 1969. Blocks like this only became a 302, 327 or 350 when the crank was chosen. Unlike in Australia, in US chevs there are no engine NUMBERs that are specific to a particular engine, they have a VIN Code stamp that ties the engine to a particular car, part of the body VIN number was stamped on to the block. A bit like Fords do here in Australia. We are too used to looking at a blocks and immediately being able to tell what size it is ie Holdens have it cast into the side of the block or if it was from the USA it was stamped with another number ie 327 or 350.which then became the engine #. in Australia. My point Jim about not being 327 was because the last 327 fitted to a production car in Australia or the US was in January 1969. but yes this one is a 327. So from what we can see from all this is an engine not only fitted to a Camaro in 1969, but January 1969. And by the way NastyZ28 is not the only reference on Chevs....all the best regards.....Jack
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 22 February 2011 3:28:38 PM(UTC)
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Jack?so it is as I said originally.also Does anyone need "all" the links or just the ones that help them?Hope this help the fellow with the "first"question!!...All the best regards... Jim.

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, 22 February 2011 5:07:41 PM(UTC)
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The very first HT 1837 was fitted with a 327, and HK GTS327 were built past January 1969. In fact the very first of the HK GTS327 with the 386 cast block were built circa January 1969. So this should place the engines being fitted to cars around April or May 1969, possibly later (not sure when the last one was assembled). I did see a photo of a HK GTS327 engine recently with a March 1969 cast date, which wouldn't be installed any earlier than probably June 1969. Not sure if it was original but the engine number stamp appeared to be.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, 22 February 2011 8:14:35 PM(UTC)
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I think we are going around in circles here. What happens here in Australia and the USA are completely different. Ayios asked was what was the block. The block on its own is not an engine. At least 3 different processes along the way to when a car leaves the assembly line. Cast a block. Assemble the engine which could end up in many cars. Fit the engine to a car with appropriate transmission, carby, etc. to suit the particular application. Ayios had block only with a certain cast #. Yes were made for many engines 302, 327 and 350 and going by the engine CODE V0919 FJ which we eventually got could we be sure what the engine had been chosen for in this case a 327....Jack.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 23 February 2011 5:36:38 AM(UTC)
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I think we are. I was only addressing this from an above post:

My point Jim about not being 327 was because the last 327 fitted to a production car in Australia or the US was in January 1969.

The US assembly code tells all as you say.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, 23 February 2011 6:06:16 AM(UTC)
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Thakns for the info fellas ... especially Jack.
So now I know it should be a 327!
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, 23 February 2011 5:34:42 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by HK1837
The very first HT 1837 was fitted with a 327, and HK GTS327 were built past January 1969. In fact the very first of the HK GTS327 with the 386 cast block were built circa January 1969. So this should place the engines being fitted to cars around April or May 1969, possibly later (not sure when the last one was assembled). I did see a photo of a HK GTS327 engine recently with a March 1969 cast date, which wouldn't be installed any earlier than probably June 1969. Not sure if it was original but the engine number stamp appeared to be.


Greetings, This doesn't sound right. 1969 built HK GTS 327s would have had 1968 cast and built engines as they came on a slow boat from o/s. As blameone has pointed out, Colvin's books are a far better and more accurate source than any web-based reference. The 'FJ' suffix code on the block tells all with this particular 3932386 block and this is the case with any engine fitted to a GM car in America. A 386 block is also one of the new improved small blocks for 1969 model year that had numerous improvements including longer main bearing bolts with an integral washer head.

Maybe Ayios should advertise the block so that the owner of the Camaro that it belongs to can reunite it with the car? The VIN portion of the number will make that very easy.
look out, the guru is coming through...
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:33:34 PM(UTC)
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Hi git ,I would say that would be a long shot though it did cross my mind also. You're correct about the 386 block it was used for some 327s but was really developed for the new 302 and 350 and I believe there would'nt have been many 327s built after the new 302s and 350s arrived. But talk to any of the learned ones, they will tell you, Thing did'nt always happen the way they were intended ie 327s in HTs etc etc. Hi Jim. If you get multiple links and references, different ideas from different people it makes for greater debate and discussion. Besides Ayios probably would'nt be at this site if his only interest or concern was, Hi all "What is this block". and as a matter of interest a lot of Allan Colvins research was just to "prove and disproves and show up these anomolies" and his research did'nt come from one source, he went beyond the regular parts catalogues, manuals etc etc to dig up these sort of things we are going on about. Borrow one or two of his publications, like me you may get excited about these extra little bits that turn up here and there......Jack
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Originally posted by HK1837
The very first HT 1837 was fitted with a 327, and HK GTS327 were built past January 1969. In fact the very first of the HK GTS327 with the 386 cast block were built circa January 1969. So this should place the engines being fitted to cars around April or May 1969, possibly later (not sure when the last one was assembled). I did see a photo of a HK GTS327 engine recently with a March 1969 cast date, which wouldn't be installed any earlier than probably June 1969. Not sure if it was original but the engine number stamp appeared to be.


Greetings, This doesn't sound right. 1969 built HK GTS 327s would have had 1968 cast and built engines as they came on a slow boat from o/s.


I do want to check that supposed GTS327 engine with a 1969 cast date out further. It had me a little confused too. The Pagewood type 2 engine I have in my shed is a late 1968 cast block and this fits with what you state. If it is real it would have to be an early 3/69 cast block, and a June 1969 install would be about as early as it could possibly be ie 3.5 months, which is about right if you consider the first of the Production HK GTS327's were July 1968 build and some of those engines in the first batch (of 4 x assembly dates) had early 4/68 cast dates ie approx 3.5 months).

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Hi All,I was just "ID"ing a block for the guy,you blokes can get more in depth.Cheers.
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