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#1 Posted : Friday, 23 December 2011 8:03:33 AM(UTC)
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Hey guys I'm really struggling to get this right, I have a 1975 XB 302 clevo, and its pretty well all standard other than the holly carby, extractors and a 3 core radiator. I need to know what correct sender unit I need purchase to get the reading on the guage right, I had a after market guage fitted below the dash that (I don't remember where I got it from) and would sit arout 170 and never had any problems with the temperature, so I got the gauges fixed at a instrument fitter, and now I have purchased a Temperature sender unit and connected the correct wire to it, now it reads HOT, can anyone tell me the correct unit sender or is it a thermo thing?
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Phill.
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#2 Posted : Friday, 23 December 2011 7:03:58 PM(UTC)
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You got a sender unit for a GT dash and not a standard one didn't you Phill? I used one out of a ZH in my GT dash, reads fine.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, 24 December 2011 9:49:14 PM(UTC)
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Bugger, F#@%,Bugger, S*%!,Bugger, Crap!!!! To cut a long story short I have tried 6 different types, and yesterday I travelled 105km to pick one up and still is wrong,I can't belive it, the instrument fitter, auto electro guy and the people at the spare sparts shop run the other way when I see them, they must think I like to play games with them,well what can I say, Thanks Paul and merry christmas!
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#4 Posted : Saturday, 24 December 2011 11:41:40 PM(UTC)
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what part numbers etc have you tried? iv used a tirdon brand before and found it too read too cold

i normally use a VDO catalogue which lists a 320.003 which i sell here at rares as a XA10884A if that helps at all
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#5 Posted : Sunday, 25 December 2011 12:41:18 AM(UTC)
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Hey guys thanks for your help again, we are ready to set off on our holiday and I have been running mad to get this right.
The first one I used was Fuelmiser CTS120 (far too hot, in the red)2nd was VDO 320-003 (65- 70% hot) the others I cannot remember but, yesterday I got told to use VDO 320.071 but he wasen't too sure that was right,so now I have just got back and asked for a ZH and they said to try a VDO 320.002 or Tridon TTS024, they never had any in stock so I said I'll get back to them.
The wire that goes onto the sender is red with a white stripe and reads 5volts, it has a push-on plug that attaches to the M4 threaded sender end piece, so I'm guessing this is right as its orignial wires,and half of them have the slip-on piece that has the little "T" piece at the end.
So Bigcav I cannot remember if I used a VDO320.003 I may have to go back to ask them if I did or not, (If so it should be in the store)
Paul, would it be to much trouble if I can ask you to send a pic of your sender? you can send it via mobile 0413415435 or on this site so we all can have a look? also if you have any recordings of your part number? that would be greatly appreciated.
I have to chance it now, wish me luck!
Thanks for your help guys, merry Christmas!
Phill.
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#6 Posted : Monday, 26 December 2011 6:02:35 AM(UTC)
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And Merry Christmas guys. Phill, I'll try and pull the old girl out of the shed and get a photo of the sender unit in the next day or so. The reason I used one out of a ZH is because we were using a ZH as a donor car when we did the V8 swap into the XB. I knew a standard XB sender wouldn't work with the GT dash but if you ever look at a ZH temeperature gauge it's about the same size as a XA XB GT gauge so I took a punt and the thing read close enough to right for me. With anything electrical on the Goss always ask for GT stuff. Seems to clear the waters a bit.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 27 December 2011 5:14:30 PM(UTC)
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Phill, no joy trying to get a photo of the temp sender. The small heater hose was in the way and with the sender being under the thermostat housing I couldn't get a good shot of the sucker. Will send you what I've got if you want but like I said, not real good. Sorry mate.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, 29 December 2011 10:10:02 AM(UTC)
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I am not much on auto electrics and you guys might already have this sorted out with your part numbers.

I had the same issue with my temp gauge for my HQ Holden.

All fixed now. Basically I fitted a GTS dash and it had a temp gauge.

When I connected the sender unit, it was giving me a reading without the engine turned on. Ended up been the wrong omes. Did a bit of googling and all fixed. Mine is a VDO but no point telling you the part number as it is a whole different car.

Maybe google 302 cleveland temparature and hopefully you find something there.

Sorry if it is not much help.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 29 December 2011 10:17:19 AM(UTC)
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Maybe try this if you haven't already.

Tridon part number: TTS010 or VDO 320.011 Temperature Sender Water STD. 1/8�-27NPTF Short

By the looks of it, you haven't tried it like everything else so I reckon it will probably work.

Be aware that the Tridon is a one piece but the VDO needs the adaptor if you haven't already.

Hope it helps Phil.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 31 December 2011 1:56:38 AM(UTC)
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This is a really good read for me. Must agree that you are one of the coolest bloggers I ever saw. Thanks for posting this informative article.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 31 December 2011 11:18:03 AM(UTC)
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quote:
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This is a really good read for me. Must agree that you are one of the coolest bloggers I ever saw. Thanks for posting this informative article.


Who are you referring to?
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 31 December 2011 10:56:21 PM(UTC)
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just another spammer from india, he is banned now anyway
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#13 Posted : Sunday, 1 January 2012 1:05:29 AM(UTC)
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Thanks BigCav. What a tool. What is the point!
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#14 Posted : Sunday, 1 January 2012 1:51:56 AM(UTC)
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hahaha, theres goes the self esteem HQ sandman lol.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, 1 January 2012 9:50:30 AM(UTC)
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hahaha, theres goes the self esteem HQ sandman lol.


hahaha. I wondered what he was on about.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, 8 January 2012 4:32:40 AM(UTC)
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Happy New Year to all, We are all back from our big trip safe and well, I'm real happy to say the Goss did well for our biggest family outing, we have travelled approx 1800kms and had a fantastic time in the south coast of NSW, then to the Northern Beachers and then back inland to the Southern highlands, and I must say I was very parranoid at first, but I got over that in the first tank, and I met many nice people who approched me who gave me nice comments on my car,one part I did enjoy was when I took a Aussie battler (a nice real guy)and his two boys for a drive along the beach, around the block and back to his wife,he told me "I would never afford a car like this" as he spent a while to save for his holiday,(I'm just lucky that a Welding TAFE Teacher gets paid more to afford a car like mine,after years of savings).
I did have a problem when it got hot and only when I went to excellerate it poped and backfired and seemed it was down at the rhs extractor so I took it real slow and tried to keep it cool, I think it could be a timing thing, but that's for later.
So just getting back to our conversation Big Cav, yes i did use the VDO 320.003 and used that on my trip and that was still reading hot and when I put the lights on it went hotter, therfore another trip to the Auto sparky to find the reasn for that, and thanks for getting rid of that idiot!
Paul, thanks for trying for the pics, but save your time mate, come to think of it a picture will not do much justice, I think they are all are just about the same.
HQ Sandman, the sender unit should be 75-10 ohms, the same as the guages (I think he said) and the wire that goes onto it is 5 volts and is correct, but, yeh your right,the sender has to be correct, also I did google the motor and it leads us back to this forum, I just had to laugh at that!(unless I screwed it up)but I have not tried the TTS010 and I may have tried the VDO 320.11 I would like to know where you got your information from, I also googled tridon and they say to use TTS024 and as big Cav says "It ran cold" therefore I'm not too sure what to do from here, but like I said as the temp gets hotter whilst the lights are on,so I will make a booking for the sparky and see if he has any answers on this problem, I will keep you all informed some time next week after we can sort this one out! Cheers guys all your help and information is always greatly appreciated, Thanking you, Phill.

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#17 Posted : Sunday, 8 January 2012 4:44:37 AM(UTC)
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I had a Valiant that the temp gauge went up when you turned the lights on and was a bit hot normally which sounds just like your issue.

It was caused by a bad body earth to the battery. The engine was earthing fine so the current was trying to travel through anything connected to the engine and the battery +

That will cost you next to nothing to investigate in fact you can diagnose it with a jumper lead between the battery and say a bumper bracket. I'd suggest the front bumper but from memory they are painted not chromed on a Goss.

HTH, Jim..

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#18 Posted : Sunday, 8 January 2012 8:16:48 AM(UTC)
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Hi Phil,

Believe it or not, I googled Cleveland 302 Temp unit. Led me to some other forum.

I live on the south coast. A shame that I didn't know, I would of got you in contact with my mate who is an auto elec who would of found the problem for you. Even travels out to jobs. The TTS010 is worth a try then if you tried everything else.
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#19 Posted : Monday, 9 January 2012 9:25:24 AM(UTC)
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Hi Jim 5.0 thanks for that good advise I will give it a go, and yes your right the bumpers are painted on the Gossy's I will attach it behind the bumper to form a curcit.
HQ Sandman, what a bummer we never cought up! The captain says she loved the drive, and wants to do it all over again at the end of this year, but I hope I can fix the problem before then, or I might have to call on your mate,hehe,but good to know if I ever have any problems when i'm in the area again, but If I have no luck I may have to try the TTS010, or the Thermostat off my Webber BBQ (just kidden, haha)
Thanks Fellas, Cheers Phill.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:42:24 AM(UTC)
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Hey fellas, just some old news being brought back up again to conclude this topic,
After trying so many different types of sender units and all seam to have different but unusual readings, we have found that there was a bad earth behind the dash, the dash is a XB GS dash, as Paul mentioned earlier the guages can be different to a falcon 500, LTD, ETC,many of these sender units may have been correct but they can vary too!
Now I have the temperature sitting just below half and the outside temp was about 25degrees with the air con off and it ran pretty well, so I'm happy with that,so therefore I will leave it as it is for now,
at this moment I have a VDO sender installed in the car, part # 320.003
This did my head in, but I must thank you all for your input, so my problem to this nightmare was the bad earth in the dash, now I will know for next time,
Cheers,
Phill.

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