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#1 Posted : Sunday, 22 January 2012 8:40:14 PM(UTC)
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First time I've spotted these, why no one was making them has been one of pet whinges to Rare Spares.

Has anyone seen them, bought them or does anyone have an opinion on them?

http://www.ebay.com.au/i...1423.l2649#ht_2208wt_956
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 25 January 2012 12:12:17 AM(UTC)
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These will be readily available from many out lets by the end of the month including Rare Spares the only difference is Rare Spares ones will come with the retaining nuts.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, 25 January 2012 6:02:38 AM(UTC)
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G'day Les, will the Rares ones have the red paintouts to match in with the GTS bootstrip?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 25 January 2012 11:41:14 PM(UTC)
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Hi Glenn
No they will be like all the others except with the nuts.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 2:43:13 AM(UTC)
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Hi

They (not just you Les) go to all of the trouble (and large investment) to put an incomplete product to the market.

I applaud whoever made this investment. But I am criticising that the finer point has been missed.

It means critical points deducted if your car is a show pony.

If your car isn't then you should be able to just buy them, bolt them on and have them look accurate especially at a $400.00 current sell price. Paying that much you shouldn't be expected to hassle around find someone capable of doing the accurate finish.

It would appear that the person/Co who initiated the production of this item may not have been able (or bothered) to make sure the paint could be done. Then decided to throw it to the market at a premium price anyway. When Holden's comissioned their manufacture the contractor made sure they were as required. if the weren't they would have been bluntly cut off and Holdens LTD. would have contracted another supplier.

Also, we all get carried away with the word quality which is different to accuracy. What we all want as mere punters is for repro bits to be accurate. If they are then the quality takes care of itself. Mass produced diesast components are never considered high quality. It is just a cheap and easy way of mass producing a part.

The bottom line is that we all worship these cars which were just average good quality and trusty cars for the masses. They were made using tried and proven techniques which by then had been used for more than half a century in that industry. These tail light frames are just diecast chrome plated items. Probably a buck or two each when they come out of the dies. Plenty of stuff happens between then and when you pay $400 bucks for 'em. But there are one or two entities which do very well out of them when they apply their margin and based on this I say there is room for a bit of time and effort in finding a source for this final and most important touch.

You're nearly there Les. I've been told that they are pretty good. Even if it adds a whole dollar/unit to your cost base you could add two bucks to you sell price (making 100% GP to that component of your cost price). The punters would happily pay two bucks extra for yours and you would help your brand gain a better reputation.

So go on Les,get on the phone to Mr Kung-Fu (or Phil, or whoever it is), send him an original.....you know these little guys can do anything....especially for one buck.

I know how hard it is to get things right in business and I understand your position. But don't just throw stuff at the market and expect your potential customers to blindly run into your shops. They're savvy these days.

Look at your friendly colleagues who specialize in high quality (read accuracy lol) repro GT stuff. Many winning cars at the GT Nationals have repro bits and they win because the quality repro bits contribute to the overall presentation of the car and as such not drawing attention.

Many of your bits are great and I have them in my cars, both Holden and Ford.

Do it right. Do it once.

I'm not trying to be a smartar$$e to you. I am just a bloke with a broad and varied background as a buyer/seller/business owner operator just like you who is really interested in having cars which actually look accurate using some repro bits. That's all.

We as customers need you and we need you more when your bits are accurate.

When you have guys like Ben, Warren or Byron Judging, your bits need to be good.

Nick Moran.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 3:24:02 AM(UTC)
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I think that is a little harsh Nick. GM-H had trouble getting these right when new. That red paint varied from batch to batch & then quickly faded over time.

If it was my car, I would purchase 2 new tail-light housings, along with a a new boot strip & have them professionally painted to the correct shade, so that all 3 pieces match.

I don't think it would be worth Rare Spares' time & effort to paint these things, it would certainly cost more than $2 per item. It would be different if they were selling 1,000s, but they are not. I would be happy if the these parts were a good fit & had quality chrome, if they are they would get my money.

I get your point about the quality of the Falcon GT stuff, but I think even then, some TLC is required to attain perfection.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 3:49:09 AM(UTC)
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Hi Terry.

It is not my intention to be harsh with Les.

You will see both critique and support addressed to him and I welcome further discussion and comments from him.

I do understand that the scale of production is lower and as such unit cost is higher. What I am saying is that there is room to move in the sell price to get it right to achieve some extra sales. Also that whether it is even ten dollars extra cost I am sure that if it was presented to the supplier/manufacturer (presumably somewhere in Asia) it could likely be achieved accurately using current longer lasting technologies.

At $400 is it harsh to expect this finishing touch to be included?
I can say for myself that if (when) I need them I would happily pay Les a bit extra for that touch rather than muck around sending them to some one who may (or may not) be able to acheive it.

Thanks for your comment.

Cheers
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#8 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 4:54:01 AM(UTC)
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You bring up a good point and I have to agree with you about a finished product being painted, I will not try and pretend we make these because if we did we would have had them painted at the source as it is too expensive to have them painted in Australia. We have listened to our customers on this in the past and are working on all parts that come from overseas and need painting to be not only painted but all the other components added before they arrive so the cost can be absorbed and not passed on to the customer. It is not easy to get parts painted at a reasonable cost in Australia, we tried for a long time to get HQ grilles painted before we finally succeeded. We have the XY grilles made overseas but have not brought any in until they are painted correctly , we are trying to put parts together that can be bolted straight on including the bolts but painting is a big problem in Australia. I did not take your criticism as being a smartA but welcomed as constructive suggestion unfortunately we are not in a position to paint these rims
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 5:56:14 AM(UTC)
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Nick, I was going to say basically the same as Dr Terry. I understand your point but for many of use we have no good tail-light surrounds but have more than enough boot garnishes. So for me it is better to get them unpainted and paint them when a boot garnish is done. That or buy a repro boot garnish and paint match the tail-lights. I doubt however hard Les tries he'll never make everyone happy with the colour of the red. What would be good would be a matching set ie tail-lights and boot alloy, all painted the same colour.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 6:02:19 AM(UTC)
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Strike a deal with Speco Australia who distribute VHT Paints. Chuck in a can of VHT SP450 Anodised Red paint with the sale of every tailight set. Done. Problem solved.

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Strike a deal with Speco Australia who distribute VHT Paints. Chuck in a can of VHT SP450 Anodised Red paint with the sale of every tailight set. Done. Problem sold.

Simon
If that's the correct colour and if it will help I could look at the option
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#12 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 6:27:15 AM(UTC)
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It is. It's what everyone uses. Why stuff around going to a crash shop to get it mixed up or pay for them to paint it. Man, have you ever spent the time trying to mask up an HK tailight to paint it? Time consuming. Let the consumer do it. You won't get closer than that colour. That way it's uniform right across the board. Not everyone will want it painted anyway. Most don't even know the red is supposed to be there. It wore off so early, within two or three years. In fact so many people for don't even know where to paint it on the tailghts. I've seen so many of what are meant to be the 'best' concours restos and they havent even painted the tailights correctly or completely. The VHT stuff is the best and as close as you'll get.
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Thanks Les.

It's easy just to bag things. More effort is required to put balanced critique and is sometimes misinterpreted.

Good to see you understand my view and I feel that I passed on what most average buyers would expect.

I know you are well aware of the healthy position and acceptance good repro suppliers enjoy in the U.S.A. and they deserve it.
Want a new 60s/70s Mustang, Firebird, Camaro, Challenger, even an early F100? Just save your money and start buying repro parts.

If we could do the same in Oz that would be Nirvana. I for one really hope for the day when Dynacorn Monaro-XW-XY bodies become available. Not likely due to conservative Government attitudes (our State and Fed Governments are arrogant stranglers). that is a whole other topic>

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#14 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 8:09:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by HKTG Parts Recovery
It is. It's what everyone uses. Why stuff around going to a crash shop to get it mixed up or pay for them to paint it. Man, have you ever spent the time trying to mask up an HK tailight to paint it? Time consuming. Let the consumer do it. You won't get closer than that colour. That way it's uniform right across the board. Not everyone will want it painted anyway. Most don't even know the red is supposed to be there. It wore off so early, within two or three years. In fact so many people for don't even know where to paint it on the tailghts. I've seen so many of what are meant to be the 'best' concours restos and they havent even painted the tailights correctly or completely. The VHT stuff is the best and as close as you'll get.


dunno about th VHT transparent red paint!!!!

it fades quicker that th original!!

ive used it & not impressed at all (juss sayn)

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Originally posted by HKTG Parts Recovery
It is. It's what everyone uses. Why stuff around going to a crash shop to get it mixed up or pay for them to paint it. Man, have you ever spent the time trying to mask up an HK tailight to paint it? Time consuming. Let the consumer do it. You won't get closer than that colour. That way it's uniform right across the board. Not everyone will want it painted anyway. Most don't even know the red is supposed to be there. It wore off so early, within two or three years. In fact so many people for don't even know where to paint it on the tailghts. I've seen so many of what are meant to be the 'best' concours restos and they havent even painted the tailights correctly or completely. The VHT stuff is the best and as close as you'll get.


dunno about th VHT transparent red paint!!!!

it fades quicker that th original!!

ive used it & not impressed at all (juss sayn)

regards DD

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WTF. seems to be missing posts here?? whats going on??
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#16 Posted : Thursday, 26 January 2012 7:53:12 PM(UTC)
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Hi Bob

Back on your original question. I did see these at the last Monaro Nationals.

Paul Harrison (Harrisons Early Holden and Ford Spares) had them on display. They looked quite good but haven't seen any since.

Has anyone here bought?had a good look at them?

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#17 Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 7:57:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by HKTG Parts Recovery
It is. It's what everyone uses. Why stuff around going to a crash shop to get it mixed up or pay for them to paint it. Man, have you ever spent the time trying to mask up an HK tailight to paint it? Time consuming. Let the consumer do it. You won't get closer than that colour. That way it's uniform right across the board. Not everyone will want it painted anyway. Most don't even know the red is supposed to be there. It wore off so early, within two or three years. In fact so many people for don't even know where to paint it on the tailghts. I've seen so many of what are meant to be the 'best' concours restos and they havent even painted the tailights correctly or completely. The VHT stuff is the best and as close as you'll get.


dunno about th VHT transparent red paint!!!!

it fades quicker that th original!!

ive used it & not impressed at all (juss sayn)

regards DD

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Sorry Dave I tend to disagree. It's a superior paint.
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#18 Posted : Friday, 27 January 2012 5:55:42 PM(UTC)
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I am not sure about the VHT paint, but Tamya model paint X27 transperent red is a perfect match. I used a NOS tail light years ago with a second hand one with this paint on it and you could not tell the difference.

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I am not sure about the VHT paint, but Tamya model paint X27 transperent red is a perfect match. I used a NOS tail light years ago with a second hand one with this paint on it and you could not tell the difference.

Warren


I have used the Tamiya one too Warren and found it to be excellent but it only comes in a little jar whereas the VHT is spray on and gets an even coat.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, 28 January 2012 7:13:13 PM(UTC)
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Hi all.

Good tip Warren.
I have used modelling paints for different jobs over the years.
Yes it is only in small containers. But you can also buy a modelling airbrush kit which makes the paint go a long way.

Very fine mist ensures excellent results.

There is also a glue type masking product. you mask the surface to be painted . Then paint the goo over the area normally masked. Wait for it to dry , remove the masking tape, paint away and finally remove the goo.

Different modelling paints are also available in small aerosols.

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