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#1 Posted : Monday, 19 January 2015 2:23:17 AM(UTC)
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hey man I have a vk but I am unsure of what it is this is the vin
model VK8VK19-123
body no.131301-A
trim 1980-64X
paint 1F075-D
bult jul84
eng LL9
transM40
axle-GU4


8K19KD L131301K

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#2 Posted : Monday, 19 January 2015 4:17:32 AM(UTC)
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Either VK SL or VK Executive
EFi202 motor, trimatic trans and 3.08 diff ratio.
Maranello red paint and light oyster cloth trim.
Adelaide built.
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#3 Posted : Monday, 19 January 2015 11:42:44 AM(UTC)
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didn't the efi motor only come with the calais or berlina?
think efi motor has vk id, est motor has vl id.
is there an identifier for the disk brake rear end?
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#4 Posted : Monday, 19 January 2015 4:54:24 PM(UTC)
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No, the EFI 6 was available on SL as well as Berlina & Calais, but I'm not so sure about being available on the Executive. GM-H only ever fitted them with a Tri-Matic auto.

I thought that the Executive was a fixed option package (like the Vacationer) & that the EST (carby) 6 was the only engine. Anybody have any info on that ?

Correct, VL is the engine number prefix for the EST engine, while VK is for the EFI 6.

I don't believe that there is any identifier for a disc brake rear.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 20 January 2015 3:18:30 AM(UTC)
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I had a VK SL metallic green with a 6 cylinder injected black motor and a factory 5 speed in the mid 1990's.
They definately came out in an SL and mine was a black motor and manual.
Went like a bat out of hell for a 6 and sounded like an 8.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 20 January 2015 4:43:17 AM(UTC)
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My understanding(from old VK info etc) EFI202 were never on VK Executives, only SL, Berlina and Calais

Also EFi202 never had manual option from factory. All EFi202's were trimatics only.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 20 January 2015 5:08:30 AM(UTC)
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thanks fellas
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 20 January 2015 11:55:31 AM(UTC)
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Hi Damo, my car was a definite factory 5 speed injected black motor SL VK.
I'm not leading you astray with this mate, i know you know your sh#t when it comes to commo's but this was a genuine car.
I was about 19 or 20 at the time and it was around 1993. It existed, I've got no reason to say otherwise, I owned it Damo seriously.
The car was a factory manual 5 speed, black motor fuel injected car. I bought it in Frankston Vic, i paid around $6500 for it which was cheap at that time, most were around the 8K mark.
I sold it to a guy in country Vic about a year later. Kicking myself now if what you say is correct.
It was metallic lightish to mid green with ceriliun blue green interior. Had a mad stereo with interceptor rims.
I will have a look for the old Rego papers and rwc paper. May have photos of it also.

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I can't remember if it had disc or drum rear brakes.
But people always asked if it was an eight, it sounded like an eight through the gears and it pulled hard for a black motor 6.
The paint was a little faded on roof but it was a low milage car and interior was like new!
I remember the guy providing me with a rwc with sale and he bled when the front end cost him a grand to fix. Lol. Waited nearly a week for it to be done.
I caught a train to Frankston and picked it up, i was wrapped that day. I was playing Flared hits and platform sole and pumped that Kenwood stereo and infinity 6x9's all the way till the diode cut outs came in.
Ahhh, to be young again. Lol
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 20 January 2015 5:45:27 PM(UTC)
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I doubt very much if GM-H built any production VK EFI manuals.

I do know HDT did a few auto > manual conversions, but they still have M40 on the body plate.

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 20 January 2015 6:52:29 PM(UTC)
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I'm sure I saw one in the late 80's with M20 on the BODY plate. It is not unknown for such things to occur as an error either, from memory the car was without driveline and I never looked any closer but it was an injected VK.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 20 January 2015 7:43:20 PM(UTC)
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Dr Terry, I had a factory 5 speed manual efi black 6 cylinder VK in the early 1990's.
I've no reason to make that up and am just telling it how it is. I think it was a 1985 or 86 from memory. I know what i had as it was a lucky find for the 6500 dollars i paid around 1993. Was about 1500 - 3000 cheaper than Calais and other VK's at the time. I looked around for a couple of months before the one in Frankston came up for sale with slightly faded roof and bonnet. That's why i got it so cheap.
I will try find any details of it in my files for you and post them.
It was definitely manual 5 speed plated on the tags. I'm spewing i sold it now but back then it was just like a VX commodore today.
Cheers.

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:32:05 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Terry
I doubt very much if GM-H built any production VK EFI manuals.

I do know HDT did a few auto > manual conversions, but they still have M40 on the body plate.

Dr Terry


Terry,
There is no listing in VK power train options for an M76 on a LL9.
ONLY L18(4 cyl export) and L14 (Black motor carby)are listed for the M76, would I be right in thinking that the LL9 overated the M76 torque rating. Although it was physically possible to put this power train combination together, it would seem GMH factory were never a party to this combination.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 21 January 2015 2:00:46 AM(UTC)
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I wouldn't be surprised if the odd manual car was built, and GMH sold off almost everything eventually via dealer tender. They did stranger things. I am surprised it was a 5spd though, I'd get them fitting an aussie 4spd as it would safely fit within the Engineering guidelines.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 21 January 2015 2:05:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by BalfizarTerry,
There is no listing in VK power train options for an M76 on a LL9.
ONLY L18(4 cyl export) and L14 (Black motor carby)are listed for the M76, would I be right in thinking that the LL9 overated the M76 torque rating. Although it was physically possible to put this power train combination together, it would seem GMH factory were never a party to this combination.


Fully agree Balfizar, I do not believe GM-H built any 4-sp or 5-sp manual EFI VK Commodores, except perhaps a prototype or 2.

The cost of the HDT manual conversion was high, why would you do such a thing, if GM-H made one to order.

I'm not one who engages in such arguments, but for those who say that they do exist, show us some proof. You won't find any in parts catalogues, sales brochures or even engineering reports. I'm keen to hear from anyone who holds such documentation.

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#16 Posted : Wednesday, 21 January 2015 4:20:24 AM(UTC)
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by BalfizarTerry,
There is no listing in VK power train options for an M76 on a LL9.
ONLY L18(4 cyl export) and L14 (Black motor carby)are listed for the M76, would I be right in thinking that the LL9 overated the M76 torque rating. Although it was physically possible to put this power train combination together, it would seem GMH factory were never a party to this combination.


Fully agree Balfizar, I do not believe GM-H built any 4-sp or 5-sp manual EFI VK Commodores, except perhaps a prototype or 2.

The cost of the HDT manual conversion was high, why would you do such a thing, if GM-H made one to order.

I'm not one who engages in such arguments, but for those who say that they do exist, show us some proof. You won't find any in parts catalogues, sales brochures or even engineering reports. I'm keen to hear from anyone who holds such documentation.

Dr Terry


HDT was confined to V8's only and the T5. I am unaware of a bellhousing for T5 to a 6 cylinder motor, so I think we are safe to say it was more than likely a M76. M20 was also not available to VK power trains ex-factory. The possibility to order an M76/LL9 had to have been an option in the order form, which I doubt. Where does that leave us, well the tags would be the give away. Only chance would have been as you say an experimental/proto type tendered out without warranty as well as a possible retro fit ex-factory.(Dealer)



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Project Berlina done by HDT was EFi202 and T5.
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Project Berlina done by HDT was EFi202 and T5.


Yes the red sedan that was built for Modern Motor, in a record 9 months, a hint of reluctance perhaps. The most interesting thing was what bellhousing was used and did it have to be modified?

Nothing HDT did appeared on the tags.
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As I said the one I saw showed M20 ion the body tag but it was the later 80's and I had no way to know if it was an error (should have been M40) or not.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 21 January 2015 5:36:27 AM(UTC)
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Even in the early 90s In NZ 5 speeds were really rare , we had them in VK4s , but I saw very few VK6 5spds . the VK4 5spds were sought after but had a different shifter position to a 6, so not so good . I have never seen a VK6 EFI manual. Mark.
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