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Originally Posted by: castellan  Originally Posted by: Absinth Originally Posted by: castellan
Yes my brother bought a XB 351 ute from Super Cars Brisbane around 1984.
Sandman 5.0L were not Belmont, my HX Sandman was just like a HX GTS.
High performance cars would have to be cars with a highly modified engine with big cam, heads, exhaust like XU-1 and GT-HO and the Valiant Charger E38 E49.
The other Aussie cars that go well are just called Performance cars, like Falcon GT and Holden GTS being one type of performance of an era and then from ADR27A your XC Falcon on 5.8L is another type of top of the line product at the time and then the VC Brock type cars are something other.
Holden Brabham Torana would be regarded as a Holden performance car, not that anyone would think of it as such but as a product it is, not that I would call it such truly myself.
HQ Sandman was based on Belmont and Kingswood, HJ Sandman was based on Holden and Kingswood, HX/HZ Sandman was based on Kingswood. HX GTS was more Premier based than Kingswood. An American muscle car is generally a small to mid sized base model car with the biggest V8 engine available shoehorned into the engine bay, call it a GTO or SS, improve suspension and call it a HO and add some sporty bits to it.... Had Holden put a 350 in the HQ SS instead of the piddly 253 it would have been a genuine Aussie muscle car. Biggest engine available, sporty bits, low luxury level production car = muscle car..... considered high performance due to the big arse engine. By American standards (loosely).... A HQ 350 4sp optioned Kingswood is not a muscle car but a HQ 350 4sp GTS Monaro is. HX Kingswood don't look anything like a Sandman at all, did Kingswood get carpet floor ? and the Kingswood just had that rubbish dash and steering wheel not to mention the Sandman got the GTS wheels as well and chrome entry sills, bucket seats and centre arm rest console, black out paint job, black GTS grill, full head lining and twin GTS rear vision mirrors. You could get a base model Sandman van or ute in HQ-HJ but the HX Sandman package included most Kingswood items like trim, bright tail-light surrounds, scuff plates, grille and badge, mylar insert in ute rear window etc. Originally HX Sandman was going to be available on Holden and Kingswood but they dropped the low-spec version and upgraded the package to include the Kingswood bits. |
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A lot of Kingswood bits in the HX Monaro then.
If anyone thinks the HX Sandman is a Kingswood they would have to be a fool, where is the bench seat and the shitty crap hopeless moronic dash and shitty steering wheel, poxy 3 on the tree or column auto trash not to mention the hubcap wheels, paint job and all, not to mention the hopeless 202.
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Originally Posted by: castellan A lot of Kingswood bits in the HX Monaro then.
If anyone thinks the HX Sandman is a Kingswood they would have to be a fool, where is the bench seat and the shitty crap hopeless moronic dash and shitty steering wheel, poxy 3 on the tree or column auto trash not to mention the hubcap wheels, paint job and all, not to mention the hopeless 202. No-one said it is a Kingswood, but the HX Sandman package was updated TO KINGSWOOD TRIM LEVEL. I have the GMH paperwork for it. GTS has virtually no Kingswood stuff on it - you obviously don't know your Holdens all that well! Originally the Sandman was going to be all Kingswood trim level, the HQ Sandman prototype van despite being a Belmont coded vehicle has Kingswood E trim, and the prototype HQ Sandman ute was a Kingswood. For some obscure reason GMH then downgraded the HQ Belmont XX7 to be simply a few options (U21+GTS speedo, XS6, M11, N66, M22) then added some blackouts but no Kingswood brightwork or trim fabric. HQ Kingswood XX7 got all the Kingswood trim stuff bar the sill strips (the prototype van actually had these sill strips on it, I assume the ute did too). Same thing happened in HJ except they were Holden XX7 and Kingswood XX7 (no more Belmont on commercials). In early 1976 the HJ Holden XU3 or XX7 was dropped, so Sandman utes were all Kingswood based and Sandman vans remained as before (Holden spec) - this is basically the same time the upcoming HX Kingswood Sandman was dropped (both ute and van) and the Holden Sandman ute and van upgraded to Kingswood trim level (which now included a different grille and grille badge as well as the other Kingswood stuff that HJ Kingswood had over and above HJ Holden). The paperwork actually says they did it this way as it was (for some obscure manufacturing reason) easier to add stuff to the Holden van to make an XU3/XX7 (headlining attachment strips and Kingswood bolt-ons) than it was to delete the side and tailgate rub-strip attachment nipples and holes off the Kingswood van and ute. All those things you list are actually replaced as part of the HX XU3/XX7 package, apart from the 202 which was standard on HX Sandman. Edited by user Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:19:35 PM(UTC)
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This is why option packs are such a problem, people do not understand them.
An SS Commodore is an option on a base model, so a VH SS starts as a VH SL, but then all the good bits added, some optional on SL others unique to SS. The final product is a VH SS, but the start vehicle is a VH SL, even if the resemblance is no longer there.
What is a White Hot, Vacationer, HQ SS, HQ GTS/4, executive (pre VN), Sandpiper, Star Sign, SLi, 25th anniversary, 50th anniversary, 60th anniversary, A9X, G pack, Plus 4, XU1, SLR5000, VH to VZ SS, Storm, SSZ?
For all of these vehicles we do not normally worry about what the starting vehicle was, but when identifying and explaining them we need to.
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