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treborsenrab		#1 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 5:36:54 AM(UTC)
Rank: Member Reputation: Groups: Registered Joined: 1/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 146		Hi All. came across a HP motor today with "S19"stamped on block near fuel pump.never seen this before, any one know what it means? also, do all HP engine numbers start with "M" ? Appreciate any info. Cheers Rob.
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HK1837		#2 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 8:33:57 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Reputation: Groups: Moderator, Registered, Veteran Joined: 1/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 14,898 Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 557 time(s) in 532 post(s)		AFAIK they all start with M. No idea what S19 is though. If it's stamped it could be the mark of a reconditioner. 179HP engines are good for one thing over and above any other red 6 - to make an EH original. Nothing else is special about them, relative to
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treborsenrab		#3 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 9:05:48 AM(UTC)
Rank: Member Reputation: Groups: Registered Joined: 1/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 146		Thanks for that Byron.seems like theres a lot of hype out there regarding HP's! another question if you dont mind-im considering installing starfire rods in a 186,question is;are there any differences in the rods from the torana starfire motor{1.9L from
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Dr Terry		#4 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 4:44:15 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Reputation: Groups: Moderator, Registered Joined: 1/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 6,114 Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 219 time(s) in 199 post(s)		Hi trebor. The Starfire 4 rods & the Blue/Black 6 rods are the same & are the ideal upgrade to any Holden Red 6. They fit straight in. Dr Terry.
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Guest		#5 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 5:31:18 PM(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Guests Joined: 2/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 43,977 Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 5 post(s)		if you use the crank and rods from a blue 3.3ltr and bore to 192 you will have a 208 stroker for this you will need to have the crank ground also if you use starfire rods 11/32 arp h/duty rod bolts fit cheers charles

treborsenrab		#6 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 6:24:43 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member Reputation: Groups: Registered Joined: 1/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 146		Dr Terry & Charles,thanks very much for the info given.Will be seriously considering all this once funds become available.sounds like a good combo for the powerglide and LSD! Rob
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HK1837		#7 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 6:40:35 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Reputation: Groups: Moderator, Registered, Veteran Joined: 1/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 14,898 Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 557 time(s) in 532 post(s)		Charles is giving you good advice on the stroker, but you should only do this is you really want/need the engine to look like a 186 from outside. Otherwise you might as well use a red 202 rope block and you don't have to grind the mains down on the blue c
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treborsenrab		#8 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 6:59:16 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member Reputation: Groups: Registered Joined: 1/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 146		You guys amaze me with your generosity on advice!!dont need it to look like a 186-have two good 186's,thats all.can swap one for 202 rope block though.sounds better than having to pay for machining work. Another question,please,-is there any pressure supp
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HK1837		#9 Posted : Tuesday, 20 September 2005 10:04:30 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Reputation: Groups: Moderator, Registered, Veteran Joined: 1/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 14,898 Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 557 time(s) in 532 post(s)		You are better off buying a new aftermarket pump eg JP, and they suit all red/blue/black 6's. What are you going to put the engine into? You might be able to save all hassles and use the blue/black block. You will find rope red 202's in most late HQ-HZ an
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Guest		#10 Posted : Wednesday, 21 September 2005 8:54:04 AM(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Guests Joined: 2/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 43,977 Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 5 post(s)		Motor will eventually go into my hk 69 brougham, so i understand that i wont have any ADR hassles, but will check this out first with Trans Dept QLD.For no real reason i have always preferred the 186 to 202, so the 208 stroker build up appealed to me. i u

HK1837		#11 Posted : Wednesday, 21 September 2005 6:30:21 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Reputation: Groups: Moderator, Registered, Veteran Joined: 1/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 14,898 Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 557 time(s) in 532 post(s)		Use a red block with a blue/black crank if you are using a single carb. 208 stroker is a misnomer, just like a 192. Look at it this way. A 186 and 202 share the same bore. Put a 202 crank into a 186 and what do you have? A 202. Bore this combo or any 202
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treborsenrab		#12 Posted : Thursday, 22 September 2005 8:32:58 AM(UTC)
Rank: Member Reputation: Groups: Registered Joined: 1/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 146		Byron,sounds like the 202 block is definately the way to go,can get a blue crank no worries.all this info is much appreciated,all of you guys.
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Guest		#13 Posted : Friday, 23 September 2005 9:24:53 AM(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Guests Joined: 2/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 43,977 Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 5 post(s)		Hi Rob, As you are in QLD, check VERY carefully with the Transport/Rego mob up there. You may be limited to an HQ or earlier block OR have to put ALL the pollution control equipment on the motor if it is a later one. The general rule is that you hav

treborsenrab		#14 Posted : Friday, 23 September 2005 6:17:26 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member Reputation: Groups: Registered Joined: 1/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 146		Thanks Dave -wouldve checked that out. sad fact now though is shes for sale in the for sale forum. Rob.
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Guest		#15 Posted : Friday, 23 September 2005 10:59:25 PM(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Guests Joined: 2/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 43,977 Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 5 post(s)		Hi Rob, Yeah, I saw that about 2 minutes after posting the above last night...bummer. Tell me to wrack off if you like, but why the sale? Cheers...Dave

treborsenrab		#16 Posted : Saturday, 24 September 2005 9:21:13 AM(UTC)
Rank: Member Reputation: Groups: Registered Joined: 1/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 146		WRACK OFF!!!!-nah mate just kidding,change in vocation is requiring me to use own car for travel of about 60000km\year-cant do that to the Brougham and its still not registered,with about $1000 to spend to get it registered.cant afford to buy another with
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Guest		#17 Posted : Tuesday, 6 March 2007 2:39:51 AM(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Guests Joined: 2/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 43,977 Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 5 post(s)		all red 6 cyl to HR had steel crank. 186 S HK-T-G only did to?

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